Gus
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Post by Gus on Sept 5, 2005 10:51:31 GMT -5
That ugly trip probably cost PB a lot of votes for bull of the year. And it wasn't even a Brazilian on his back.
Wardance was awesome. If I had a vote, I'd probably still pick Reindeer as BOTY, but it would be by a whisker and I wouldn't complain a bit if Wardance won out.
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Post by cowboytodd25 on Sept 5, 2005 11:32:19 GMT -5
How could a bull that had only bucked 3 times this year even be considered for BOTY. That would have been ridiculous. He should not get votes for being on the other tour it is a pbr, challenger,Enterprize and h@h. If you take those events then he shouldnt get any votes at all.
Smokeless wardance same story he has been to 4 events you cant give him bull of the year.
I believe the bull of the year should be either Deuces Wild, who has only been to nine events, Little Yellow Jacket,like him or not he is a great bull. I have never been a fan of him but he is a great bull.Rooster is an amazing bull who does not get the respect he deserves from the critics but the riders know how rank he is. Mudslinger also has had a great year still one of the best. Any of these bulls could get it and i would understand.
I still feel that the best bull of the year has been Shane. He has been riden 1 out of 14 times for a score of 91. With a bull rating of 44.9. He has stepped up and made all the riders look real bad.
I also believe that if Uncle Charlie was a berger bull that he would get more votes, he has had a tremendous year and will one year soon get BOTY. The next few BOTY could be Just a Dream, Deuces Wild, and Best Shot did not have a high score last night but on a whole he is a great bull.
Just a few thoughts.
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Post by CThrash13 on Sept 5, 2005 13:39:13 GMT -5
Freakin pathetic. It's so disheartening to see a bull like Pandora's Box thrown to the wolves because the owner don't want to go to anymore events. He just had some money to spend, so he decided to throw it all down on Wardance and Pandora's Box. He completely ruined Pandora's Box, and I'm sure Wardance will soon be on the same path. Pandora's Box should still be bucking at PBR events 15 times a year just like the last couple. He has gotten completely lazy this season in my opinion, but it's not his fault. He was used to a full schedule, and now he just goes when the owner feels like earning a little money. I know he bucks some in the CBR and PRCA, but he was out so much more last year, and you could tell. I think he was BOTY last year, but he isn't even in the top 50 this year. I agree with Cowboy Todd as far as Deuces Wild goes. I think he is the best the PBR has to offer right now. Wardance has been the most impressive, but 4 outs isn't near enough. DW has been solid every time out, and the only time he was ridden ended up being a 93! Great bull. And there is no secret that Shane is one of my favorites... He is awesome! And one of my high school friends owns him, so that makes it all that much better. Way to go Mr. Hebert!
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Post by rodeocowboy1202 on Sept 5, 2005 15:19:18 GMT -5
My list for Bull Of The Year is: Reindeer BlueBerry Wine Dueces Wild Wardance (not enough events and ditto for Rooster) Neon Nights
Ill be happy with any bull except lyj for Bull Of The Year. Its no secret I dont like him.
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Post by csb on Sept 5, 2005 18:10:31 GMT -5
Wardance has been out 8 times this year in PBR events. Thats BFTS, H&H, CT, and Enterprise. The award is PBR bull of the year, not BFTS bull of the year.
I think a jerry nelson bull should win it. Big Bucks has been a bucking dude all year long, and hes only getting better.
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Post by megz07 on Sept 5, 2005 18:44:19 GMT -5
those are all pretty good. Gotta agree with you on if they dont go to the events as much as others they shouldnt be BOTY. i also think Kid Rock should be considered tho. I mean how many 90pt rides has he given? well i mean idk know either...im really askin. I should look it up. The fact is that hes a great rank bull that gives great high scores and i think hes been to plenty events and i cant see wh y he hasnt been mentioned. Less yall know why.
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Post by LovePBR on Sept 5, 2005 21:30:32 GMT -5
I bet since Little Yellow Jacket is being retired they will pick him for bull of the year. Just think what the owner will make after that bull stops bucking just by selling semen straws to prospective bull breeders! I think the sympathy thing will get Little Yellow Jacket BOTY regardless of whether he deserves it or not. We'll have to wait and see. I kinda wish they'd pick Blueberry Wine. He is definitely a little bull with a lot of buck. There are many good bulls though.
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Post by rodeocowboy1202 on Sept 5, 2005 22:21:47 GMT -5
I will be one pissed off guy if lyj Bull of the Year
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NoGeeksPls
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Post by NoGeeksPls on Sept 6, 2005 15:18:17 GMT -5
Well I think gr8rdh hit the proverbial nail right on the head.
Of course they will give LYJ Bull of the Year to go with his retirement.
When you are one of the head muckity mucks of the PBR, have lots of money to throw around of course they are going to give you BOY AGAIN. Not deserved AGAIN.
Meanwhile BLUEBERRY WINE will be overlooked and not recognized for giving YEARS of stellar performances.
One would guess that if Mr. Teague had owned Blueberry the bull would have suddenly not been "too small" to be bull of the year.
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Post by NoGeeksPls on Sept 6, 2005 15:30:33 GMT -5
Freakin pathetic. It's so disheartening to see a bull like Pandora's Box thrown to the wolves because the owner don't want to go to anymore events. He just had some money to spend, so he decided to throw it all down on Wardance and Pandora's Box. He completely ruined Pandora's Box, and I'm sure Wardance will soon be on the same path. CThrash, I had to go look and remind myself who owns these two bulls. You got it right. All you really had to say to sum it all up was..... "Once upon a time there was a great bucking bull named Jesse James........." <sigh> There is a quote from the book Black Beauty that goes something like this "for us, its all about chance" (In regards to the owner an animal winds up with. Imagine these bulls being owned by the Herringtons, or Kish or.......
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Post by csb on Sept 6, 2005 17:33:09 GMT -5
Jesse James didnt die because of Mr. Taylor. It was a pretty hot weekend, and thats what got Jesse James.
One really bad trip isnt a too big of a deal. We all know that Reindeer has hogged off on more than one occasion, but is still a great bull.
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NoGeeksPls
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Post by NoGeeksPls on Sept 6, 2005 18:28:44 GMT -5
Jesse James didnt die because of Mr. Taylor. It was a pretty hot weekend, and thats what got Jesse James. ----------------- Hi CSB, You know there is the "published" version and the real story of why/how Jesse James died. However you are correct that it was a hot weekend(Laughlin event), but the heat is not the reason the bull died. I think it was very telling when Donny Gay, after watching the trip the bull had said "the bull looks like he is foundered......." (That was on a televised event), was closer to the truth then the "heat stroke" story that was told afterwards.
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Post by longhorne on Sept 9, 2005 19:29:09 GMT -5
NoGeeks do you enjoy trashing someone's reputation? I have also heard the story on Jesse Jame's (both side's) but were you there, did you actually witness it? As far as the Pandora's Box trip it happens to the best of them. You could go on and on about who to blame but what it all come's down to is the fact that he had a bad trip. Now you'll be able to see how much heart he's got. Also on the not bucking them much I cant say I blame Thomas Taylor if they were mine I wouldn't have bucked them for a few months so that I could turn them out on cows.
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Post by WI8SecFan on Sept 10, 2005 12:42:17 GMT -5
It was unfortunate and surprising to see Pandoras Box have an off night but almost every bull has had at least one bad out, his just happened to be very televised.
As far as him being ruined by some fault of the contractor I think that is a totally unfair statement. Furthermore, the comment of them not wanting to haul him for a full schedule that is not the case. The PBR site has him listed as having 22 outs this season in the PBR. That combined with at least 16 outs in the PRCA since January and a few other CBR events is a pretty full schedule. Many top bulls have certainly been bucked less this season. Hauling a bull too much and bucking a bull too much can also be hard on a bull. A break to turn the bull out with the cows for a little while is a normal practice.
Many times a bull just decides that night for what ever reason not to buck. They are animals after all and can choose not to perform for many reasons. I know of a bull that was a great bucker but had huge horns. They had to cut his horns and after that the bull would not buck. We have no idea what was going on with the bull that night so pointing fingers at the contractor without knowing all the facts is not appropriate.
Finally, in the end it comes down to this. Raising and bucking bulls is the contractors livelihood and business. He will in the end do what he thinks is best for that business.
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Post by CThrash13 on Sept 10, 2005 17:06:08 GMT -5
Terri, if you think Pandora's Box has 22 outs in the PBR this season, you are sadly mistaken. He has a big whopping number of 6 outs on the BFTS this season. And I figured you would want a comparison from last year on the BFTS, so I went ahead and got those numbers as well. At this time last year, he had 12 outs. From what I see, that is twice as much last year as this year. So that's pretty accurate if you ask me. And besides, I said he has been bucked in the CBR and PRCA this year, but it's obvious he hasn't been bucked nearly as much as last year. That's just the plain facts. And that wasn't his only bad out this season. He had an awful Mossy Oak outing earlier in the year and then a very under average outing with Rocky McDonald in Greensboro and Brandon Berry in Colorado Springs. Counting the Mossy Oak outing, he has bucked 7 times on the BFTS this year, and 3 of those have been very shaky for a bull of his stature. I would say a 43% under average rating is pretty high when it comes to what we expect from Pandora's Box. So your one bad outing speech isn't cutting it with me Terri. And you said it's up to Thomas Taylor to raise the bulls how he wants and to do what's best for his business. And I respect your opinion on that, but it's also my choice to downgrade him for not keeping Pandora's Box in the proper bucking shape we are accustomed to seeing him in. Cody B. said earlier in the year it was obvious Pandora's Box had gotten lazy, so it's not only me that has said things about him. You can take up for a bull or rider to a certain extent. But when it's obvious, it's a pretty different situation. And I'm not even touching the situation with Jesse James because I wasn't even watching at that time.
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