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Post by dairymary on Jun 18, 2005 20:14:08 GMT -5
i think that something should be done about the soaking. it is noticable to me when a bull has been soaked because they do not perform as well. for example reindeer last year at the finals when he just jumped around the arena and adriano got a reride on him.
also, on the episode of total bull about the herringtons, they talked about dillenger. he was put down about 6 months ago. they had him out breeding cows and there are some calves out of him.
mary
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Post by megz07 on Jun 18, 2005 21:33:00 GMT -5
okay i got a suggestion:
since the rider gets to "soak" the bull and the bull doesnt get much of a say-so in the matter...maybe there should be a time or point deductable. At first i was thinking.." just make them ride an extra second" but i changed my mind...no one should ever change 8.0 seconds!...its just not right! If that were to change...so would so many mottos! ugh. so now i dont know again. hmm.. maybe not a time deductable but how about point deductables? In the rodeo, in idk i think team roping, (plz forgive me if im wrong..like i said im new) dont they add to the time if they only get one leg in the lasso??? Maybe they could do that in bull riding...except take away a certain amount of points from the ride...or maybe they just shouldnt start the timer as soon as they come out ya know like wait a second...but KEEP the 8.0 seconds on the record. Because if they get to take away from the bulls performance..and thats half the performance and the rider is the one getting a nice little pay check and score (sometimes) then shouldnt the rider have a lil bit of their performance taken away too? Just to keep it fair. Not just to the bulls...but to the contractors as well. #superman#
Did i just make the matter more confusing...hehe oops.
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Post by WI8SecFan on Jun 18, 2005 22:08:39 GMT -5
Well in theory there should already be a penalty. When you soak your bull the bull does not perform as well and therefore have a lower score. Unfortunately, that it not always occurring based on the stats.
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Post by cowboytodd25 on Jun 18, 2005 22:21:35 GMT -5
Do you really think that the pbr wants people in the public to actually believe a rider is soaking the bull. Allowing this to go public it is all just an assumtion now but honestly do you really think that the people behind the pbr would allow that info to get out. I mean can you imagine what they would think about the carrillos i mean they spend at least 3 minutes and maybe longer in the shoot that is not soaking and if it was it does them no good anyway. However you want to look at it a second here and point on your ride it would be an illegal ride no points and a ff of your score that is the only way to stop it. So what i believe you are saying is if he soaks the bull and takes an unridable bull and then gets a 90 he should only get 88 that is really not gonna happen nor would it be fair. You forfeit your ride and are suspended for the next event. I mean look at the damage being done to the bulls have you thopught about that.
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Post by firecracker on Jun 18, 2005 22:42:54 GMT -5
Well I watched the PBR event today on the tube. With the limited amount of time the camera spends on the rider in the chute, I could not tell if anyone was soaking their bulls or not.
I did see that rider with the vest cam and how his bull finally gave-up and knelt down in the chute and was never ridden. I suppose that example is what you could call "Totally Soaked"-right?
Edited to correct spellos
Rich
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Post by cowboytodd25 on Jun 18, 2005 22:54:44 GMT -5
An unco-operative bull is not considered soak. However with that said Tony had 3 times that i saw that he could have gone i love the guy and people on here know that but he is starting to get that rep now and that is not good. 15 years in the buisness and now people are starting to think he soaks his bull i do not believe that at all.
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Post by megz07 on Jun 19, 2005 0:48:16 GMT -5
. So what i believe you are saying is if he soaks the bull and takes an unridable bull and then gets a 90 he should only get 88 that is really not gonna happen nor would it be fair. . yea your probably right..however..if you were a rider and this happened to you..you wouldnt want to do it as much, now would you? Kinda like how they get fines to prevent the riders from takin to long in the chutes. So maybe the next time he wont take away from the bulls performance..or at least hed think twice. |
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Post by pbrbigfan on Jun 19, 2005 10:17:56 GMT -5
Tony's not so much trying to "soak" his bull as much as he is just trying to get everything right. There are just some guys that take too long in the chute and it has nothing to do with soaking a bull. There are several PBR riders that have a reputation for taking too long in the bucking chute. MIchael was right on when he talked about how "old school" guys would take them laying down.
While the PBR has done a good thing in changing some of the rules about rerides and fouls and such to benefit the rider, some of these younger bull riders that haven't had to "cowboy up" in the past to get one ridden through some of those things rely on everything being perfect instead of just doing what it takes to get one ridden. The rules are in the bull riders' favor and that's how it should be, but sometime you just need to be a bull rider and nod your head.
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Post by cowboytodd25 on Jun 19, 2005 13:40:21 GMT -5
I do not believe that either but what i do believe is that people will start to think that he is if he continues to lag. That was my only point.He has been this way for many years and he hasn't change. With all the assumptions though he could easily be misconstruded as soaking.
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Post by rodeocowboy1202 on Jun 19, 2005 14:11:19 GMT -5
Tony wasnt soaking his bull...Its not considered soaking if the bull is rough in the chutes. You see...the problem his nodding quick on a rough bull is that you dont give a second to settle down and as soon as you nod he'll start gettin rattled and could hurt you or foul you
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Post by mlm18 on Jun 19, 2005 15:05:03 GMT -5
I'm glad that one of the above posters mentioned that it is not just the Brazilians that soak bulls. On many occasions when I have been at an event or seen events on tv there have been many riders that soak bulls, regaurdless of where they are from. And as the person above stated it's not just having the rope too tight, it can be numerous factors that contribute. As to wether it's wrong or not..... as of now it is not against the rules per say, if it's ever made a rule that soaking a bull is not allowed then I'd venture to say that soaking is wrong, but at this point in time I'd just call it unfair.
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Post by BucknSpin on Jun 20, 2005 13:28:12 GMT -5
Has anyone else noticed that, if some of the riders are still soaking their bulls, it's not been shown on any of the airings of the latest events? This could be because: a) the riders aren't soaking their bulls anymore, or b) the PBR doesn't allow OLN to show it because it's bad publicity. Hmm......knowing how the PBR has operated in recent history, I'm gonna go with "b". I've been closely watching these last couple events to see who might be guilty of soaking, and who has the "rope pulling team" of 2 or more guys, and gosh darn, ya know what? I haven't seen too much of the bullriders screwing around in the chute and no more than one guy pulling ropes lately. I think it's more "careful" editing than the practice has been discontinued. Can't wait to get to a live event and see with my very own eyes! Those of you who have had the privledge to attend a recent event, maybe you can fill us in on what you've seen, behind the cameras, so to speak??
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Post by CThrash13 on Jun 20, 2005 13:35:11 GMT -5
Dana, I agree with what you just said. I was going to post this, but I never got around to it.
I haven't seen anyone in the chutes too long, except for Mendes the other night. But his bull was acting up, so it wasn't his fault by any means.
The only performance out of a bull that looked a little fishy was when Marchi rode Rage. That bull didn't look half as rank as he did the night before with Jared Farley.
Other than that, I didn't see any extra pulling or soaking. But as you stated, the PBR might have edited it out.
I guarantee they probably saw us complaining about it here, and they did something about it. Our thoughts and opinions here at this board are obviously read on a daily basis.. That's good though.
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Post by pbrbigfan on Jun 20, 2005 14:48:21 GMT -5
Maybe, just maybe, the back judge is doing his job. You can't edit a LIVE tv broadcast. There has been LOTS of talking about taking too long in the chutes and such in the rider meetings that take place before the event begins. The riders know what the consequences will be for either taking too long or "soaking" and those consequences have been inforced so the bull riders know that Cody C. means business. So, maybe, the PBR is enforcing the rules and that's why you don't see what was being seen before.
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Post by BucknSpin on Jun 20, 2005 15:33:49 GMT -5
PBRbig fan: While I agree that editing of a "live" tv broadcast is pretty tough, I'm thinking that what we might be seeing when "live" is a tape-delayed broadcast (I think that's what they call them when they broadcast a few seconds to minutes behind actual "real time?). If this is the case, then they DO have a chance to edit out things they don't want broadcast. And while saturday night's round was "live", sunday's wasn't. Sunday's event took place at 2 pm and we didn't see it til 8 that evening.
However, I agree with your supposition that now that Cody Custer is back judge that he'll try his hardest to run an honest event.
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