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Post by firecracker on Jun 17, 2005 16:08:39 GMT -5
What does the term "Soaking Your Bull" mean? I can't seem to be able to search-up this answer. Thanks for any help on this.
Also-What are the Brazilians doing to bulls during the rides that some say is Unfair?
Thanks again?
Rich
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Post by rodeocowboy1202 on Jun 17, 2005 17:21:29 GMT -5
Weel soaking you bull is basically wearing your bull out before he even gets out of the chute for example...pulling and re-pulling your rope even when your not up or sitting on your bull loger than you need to (for worst about that is Adriano) and thats what they say the Brazillians do
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Post by NoGeeksPls on Jun 17, 2005 21:09:53 GMT -5
Its also having several people pull your rope as tight as is possible.
Did PBR pass a rule after last years debacle of Adriano and the other Brazilians having an entire football team pulling their ropes?
It is why you generally see top bulls sometimes have their very worst trips. Surprise its almost always with a Brazilian on their back.
The Brazilians are the worst offenders here Adriano is at the top of the list but I think even worse than Adriano is Ednei Caminhas. I am sure it everyone remembers it was he who was on Dillinger messing around with him in the chute which caused him to kick and break his hock, ending his career and almost his life.
When you see a small bull like Blueberry nearly cut in half with a bull rope and still be able to make short work out of these cheaters it really makes you realize just how amazing he and some of these other smaller bulls are.
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Post by megz07 on Jun 17, 2005 21:22:19 GMT -5
???Id never heard of "soaking" before..but reading these entries..Idk.. but id have to say i agree that there should be a rule thing (if there already isnt)..but then again...how tight, in your opinion, is too tight???
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Post by rodeocowboy1202 on Jun 17, 2005 22:45:30 GMT -5
Well that thing with Dillinger it kinda did end his life
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Post by firecracker on Jun 17, 2005 23:10:25 GMT -5
Thanks for the replies so far. Very interesting! Adriano, on a recent OLN encore, was said to have been scared to ride due to fearing being injured. Sure enough, he rode and got a concussion and thern sat-out the second round. Maybe Karma is catching up with the Brazilian team. If they are taking unfare advantage by stressing the Bulls, then that should be stopped immediately.
One thing that doesn't make sense though, is that if someone were to soak a bull and take some of the fire out of him, then wouldn't that leave open the chance that the overall performance would be degraded; causing possible low points for the rider?
Don't the riders need the hottest bulls going in order to climb the ranks?
Rich
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Post by megz07 on Jun 17, 2005 23:26:58 GMT -5
haha yea..but then again..some of these guys have great showmanship...they can make it look a lil better than it is. lol. (correct me if im wrong.. cuz i really shouldnt be talking... since i dont know all the details) Maybe by wearing the bull out it makes it easier to ride..giving the rider the advantage to make it "LOOK" more difficult. MAYBE? MAYBE NOT? lol idk...really..i dont get it. WHY WOULD THEY TAKE AWAY FROM THE BULLS PERFORMANCE? I mean they are half the score! Oh! Oh! Wait! Maybe they wear "THAT" bull out...for a BETTER RERIDE???  shutting up now. #ezpi_blush# |
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Post by firecracker on Jun 18, 2005 1:23:48 GMT -5
HA! Well tomorrow I hope High Tide takes them boyz from Brazil to the showers...I really like that Bull. Maybe Justin will ride Mr. Tide out. That would be a mid-90's ride for sure!
Rich
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Post by NoGeeksPls on Jun 18, 2005 9:02:02 GMT -5
Maybe they wear "THAT" bull out...for a BETTER RERIDE??? shutting up now. #ezpi_blush# Very very very very great point. ---------------------- Posted by rodeocowboy1202 on Yesterday at 11:45pm
Well that thing with Dillinger it kinda did end his life Rodeo Cowboy, please tell me that after all the work and medical care that this bull has been able to get out to pasture and to be able to live cover some cows. I know when I talked to the stock man from Herringtons back at the finals in 03 they actually had almost brought Dillinger to finals then for a official retirement presentation, which made me think he was at least getting around ok. |
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Post by WI8SecFan on Jun 18, 2005 10:44:58 GMT -5
Okay let me start out by saying that I was originally one of the people that thought it was pretty hard to dramatically effect a 1800 pound animals performance by doing a few minor things in the chutes. Since then I have been given a better explanation and been shown the error of my ways.
There are several ways in which to soak a bull not just how you pull your rope, although that is one of the most obvious. The theory is that riders soak their bulls to have a better chance of having a qualified ride, they will soak better bulls more then say a first round bull. Although the bull is half the score, having a qualified ride is better then a no score. Also statistically the scores for the bulls from the riders that others have indicated soak their bulls are not that much lower then for other top riders.
For the record it is not just or even all, the Brazilians that soak bulls. There are American and Canadian riders that do it as well. Also right now there are no rules against certain behaviors that soak bulls. Until there is, it is not cheating as cheating indicates breaking a rule to give you an unfair advantage. It may however, be considered unsportsmanlike.
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Post by CThrash13 on Jun 18, 2005 10:50:12 GMT -5
If the riders know in their minds it's wrong, it's cheating in my book. And I guarantee you some of those guys don't feel right after wearing down a bull athlete like that. I have seen Americans do this as well, but honestly, the % of Brazilians that do it is far higher than any other ethnicity so to speak. I can't think of a Brazilian that hasn't been guilty of it in the past year or two. I don't see Justin McBride, Ross Coleman, Mike Lee, Jody Newberry, etc. doing this. They get in the chutes and get the heck out of there as soon as they can. If it were me, I wouldn't want to sit on a bull's back any longer than I have to. From what my dad has told me from his experience, it's no fun being in the chute getting your legs banged all around. I would be in and out in a hurry. If the bull is better, so be it. But as a fan, I would definitely like to see if the rider or bull is better. That's also the reason Reindeer will never be ridden for 90+ points. Either he will toss the riders quickly, or he will get soaked in the chute and hop around the arena for an 80. I've seen guys try to soak Blueberry, but that little dude still tosses em..  |
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Post by Gus on Jun 18, 2005 11:35:41 GMT -5
I've been behind the chutes these past two nights for Xtreme Bulls and the Pace Chute-out in Reno and I will say this about the PRCA guys. As one is nodding his head and the gates swing open, the next rider is already on his bull and wrapping his hand. As soon as the bull is out of the arena, the next guy is ready to go. I don't know if it's a PRCA rule or what, but there doesn't seem to be nearly as much dilly dallying around, repulling ropes two or three times, as happens at the PBR events.
And I haven't heard the word "soaking" once this week.
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Post by pbrbigfan on Jun 18, 2005 12:38:59 GMT -5
Well, I know that there have been plenty of fines handed out this year for guys taking too long in the bucking chute (whether it be "soaking" or just taking too long) and it hasn't mattered if they were American or from another country. There are also a few guys that are in danger of getting a 0 before they even nod their head as they've been warned and fined too many times and paying money doesn't seem to make them change their ways.
The PBR (or rather Cody C.) is really trying to change something that has gotten out of hand. He's not just looking the other way.
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Post by Gus on Jun 18, 2005 13:03:13 GMT -5
I hope Cody suceeds. Maybe then they'll be able to show more (hopefully all) the rides on the telecasts.
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Post by rodeocowboy1202 on Jun 18, 2005 13:55:37 GMT -5
I've been behind the chutes these past two nights for Xtreme Bulls and the Pace Chute-out in Reno and I will say this about the PRCA guys. As one is nodding his head and the gates swing open, the next rider is already on his bull and wrapping his hand. As soon as the bull is out of the arena, the next guy is ready to go. I don't know if it's a PRCA rule or what, but there doesn't seem to be nearly as much dilly dallying around, repulling ropes two or three times, as happens at the PBR events. And I haven't heard the word "soaking" once this week. The PRCA is really strict about that I have been behind the chute of both organizations in the PRCA they are alot more strict when it comes to that kind of stuff my cousin (even though he rides saddle broncs has been handed a fine and a disqualification for takin even 2 seconds more than he needed) i believe the reason people get away with it in the PBR is that heir hand is already wrapped in and then they do the complaining about how the bull standing. I was at the event in liberty texas with one of my freinds and since we knew the owner of the areana we got to go behind the chutes and we talked with Adriano and he is one of the coolest guys I hav ever met but when he got in the chute we had more than one guy pulling his rope and they were grunting and struggling to pull his rope and the bull was sitting just frine but he still started talking Portugese to his buddies and from what I could understand the hand gestures he was saying some about the bull was standing but I couldnt see anything wrong with it. And somethin I saw with Ednei, two the of the rankest bulls of all time (and two of the most consistant) had their worst trips with him...Blueberry Wine (twice) and Dillinger |
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