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Post by cowboytodd25 on Jul 31, 2005 13:03:19 GMT -5
I thought that the bull talent was very good and very bad at the same time.
The very good would be Splat Kat. I had an idea when i saw his stats that he would tear it up here in the pbr and he did just that getting a 44.5. Vertical Limit i new very little about him and well he did great with a 44. Someone had mentioned Cat Man Do and he got a great score of 44. Uncle lonn who i also thought would do really well received a 43 and Dash Cat received a 43.5. all in all though i thought there were some nice bull scores. However i did not like the bottom tier of bulls they must have been really bad. Make ya famous received a 39, Deputy Sherriff a 37, Cordell,with a name like that you would expect alot more than a 36.5 how bad is that, then open water with a 38 so i feel these bulls ruined there chances at being here you might see them on the h&h tour. Did anybody feel there were great highs yet extremely low lows
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Post by megz07 on Jul 31, 2005 15:24:01 GMT -5
cant argue there. yea about cordell...i had put my picks with that one and ill be dern make ya famous too! see what happens when I pick with my heart instead of my brain!?! lol. oh well. I kinda liked that bomber tho. he suprised me when he came out so i guess the feelin is just stickin with me. I also liked upset stomach...guess lambert did too...he put him in the short go.
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Post by dairymary on Jul 31, 2005 20:48:48 GMT -5
i have to say that there were some good young bulls at this event. it is good to know that there are young bulls to replace the bulls that are retiring. i have to say that just a dream is a really exciting to watch, with the altitude that he was getting. neon nights was not as explosive as usual, but still had a good out. the bull vertigo that mike lee rode was also fun to watch. mike did an awesome job riding him. also, the lost in paradise bull, i have to say i like the name, is a good young bull. i cant wait to see how all of these mature. i have to say that upset stomach had an excellent out in the short go. that ride was worth the 92 pts, imo.
the older bulls had good outs. the short go bulls all did a good job today. i like that wild life bull, he is a rank little dude.
my favorite name of the weekend was slobber knocker, i crack up everytime i hear it. also buck naked, even though they stole our name............
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Post by megz07 on Jul 31, 2005 21:16:49 GMT -5
yep slobber knocker deserves his name! lol
I told yall i liked that upset stomach! lol WHAT A RIDE! Way to bare down TONY MENDES! WOW!
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Post by pbrfan21 on Jul 31, 2005 21:24:11 GMT -5
Yeah that was a great ride by Tony too bad he didn't win though
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Post by megz07 on Jul 31, 2005 21:26:03 GMT -5
hmm...do yall think he wouldve won if he wouldve taken the reride...wait who was his reride first, then do you think he would have made it, then do you think he wouldve won?
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Post by WI8SecFan on Aug 1, 2005 20:32:55 GMT -5
Well I have to agree but I also have to add one more catagory...the down right ugly! I don't know what they actually showed on OLN as far as the first night was concerned but I am guessing that they actually did not show the first few bulls. There were a ton of re rides awarded and I have to tell you after we saw the first few new bulls even the judges were shaking there heads. (I was sitting in the first row and had both the bull judges and the ride judges sitting right in front of me.) I believe that a few of them were even scored in the 20s. The comment was made that the bulls in the round paid to be there and be judged so the PBR does not have very much control over who comes. They claimed no responsibility for the first night but would take any credit good or bad for the other two rounds.
Some of the bulls you may not have seen Bells Blue had a bull rating of a 16.8, Johnny Rotten (Fournier/King) had a bull rating of 13, Cactus Jack 15.7..These were just a few of the first bulls.
As you mentioned though there were also so amazing bulls seen that are our future superstars. The one that comes to mind is the bull that also made it to the short -go, upset stomach, he was one impressive bull!!!
So this raises a question for you all...should the PBR continue to do the ABBI round knowing that you are going to have the vast range of bulls or should they always be CT events and no bull can pay to come to the big leagues and must be invited? I think there are pros and cons each way so I will be interested in hearing what you all think.
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Post by cowboytodd25 on Aug 1, 2005 21:58:43 GMT -5
First off i realized that the bulls were pretty bad but i dont think that we can use the excuse they were nervous and all the jive that goes with that they were awfull. With that said though i feel that if we start knocking bulls of for the performances they have maybe we need to relegate some of the riders also.
I am being honest there are some riders that are just downright awful yet they continue to be on tour so i guess what i am saying is that yes relegate all the non performers to the lowere levels and give other animal/human athletes a chance.
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Post by CThrash13 on Aug 2, 2005 9:59:50 GMT -5
As far as the bulls go, I'll stand up for Bells Blue and say he had an off-night.
Every trip he has had on TV in the past was solid. And I saw him buck twice at a Humps N Horns event earlier this year, and he was very electric there as well. So he isn't just another crap bull, he had a major off-night.
As for the others, I wish Johnny Rotten would buck like the Johnny Rotten we all know and love from Mesquite Rodeo. At least I hope it's not the same one. :/
The bulls were very solid overall, at least the 2nd, 3rd, and short-go rounds that is. There are always bulls that aren't going to perform, but there are a lot of bulls that are going to be great as well.
Just the way it goes.
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Post by csb on Aug 2, 2005 10:09:44 GMT -5
The first round was full of 3-4 year olds that have been hauled all over the country this year, and arent used to it. Bells Blue had an awful trip, but then again he had a Brazilian on his back. Go figure.
Upset Stomach was good. So good that Bruce/Berger bought him for $50,000.
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Post by BucknSpin on Aug 2, 2005 12:50:38 GMT -5
Terri poses the question:
...should the PBR continue to do the ABBI round knowing that you are going to have the vast range of bulls or should they always be CT events and no bull can pay to come to the big leagues and must be invited?
Personally, I think until the bulls are proven good buckers, they should be relegated to the minor leagues. When I go to a PBR event, I'm paying top dollar for my ticket, so I expect only top quality bulls and riders to be at that event. And to be fair to the riders, I believe that only the top bulls should be bucked at the PBR level so it makes an even playing field for all riders participating in that event.
I also attend several Challenger, Enterprise and HnH events where I don't shell out nearly as much for the ticket, so I'm not nearly as expectant of seeing the top atheletes. In fact, I assume that I'll be seeing a mix of everything in relationship to the level of event I'm attending.
I think there are enough levels of competition now that there's simply no reason to buck these unproven or inconsistent bulls at the PBR events. They should sharpen their teeth at the lower level events and earn their way up to the top level - just like the bullriders do.
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Post by megz07 on Aug 2, 2005 15:33:15 GMT -5
i certainly agree. Its not fair to the riders to wear themselves out on one bull that isnt quality and get a reride and have to go through it all over again. Its a waste of time and strength. Im suprised lambert would even put up with the thought of bringing them in here like that. sure it may work for the rare and lucky bulls such as upset stomach, but when we're talkin about ratings that go as low as twenties and good lord 13! it just isnt fair to the riders. Let the bulls work their way up like the riders. And i agree with todd..regulate. I know they are trying hard and I love some of these riders/bulls/athletes with all my heart, but it breaks my heart seeing them suffer and go down when people have already worked their way up, been working, and are waiting on a spot. Its almost like they are gettin a free ride here and i believe their should be certain requirements. well actually their might be already...but it seems like it needs to be reinforced or something. what are the requirements anyways? how do they decide who gets cut and whose brought up from the other tours? great now im confused!:/
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Post by WI8SecFan on Aug 2, 2005 16:22:38 GMT -5
For the ABBI round Cody does not really get to select the bulls that come. It is a pay to play type deal. The contractors pay to have the bulls bucked and judged. I agree that on any night a few bulls might have an off night and when you are bucking 45 bulls you should expect at least a few rerides. However, the ABBI rounds that have occurred this year have produced a significantly higher number of rerides then other events where the bulls are selected by Cody and asked to come.
I was suprised to see how poorly Bells Blue bucked as well. I can tell you though that he did not look real great in the back pens that night both before or after the event. It was a little warm there and I am wondering if the heat and the trip combined with the event lights and fireworks etc just got to him. I was actually looking forward to the match-up.
As far as the rider discussion that is a totally different system and therefore topic. I would like to see a discussion of the bull system here not the rider system which we have already discussed. So I will not get into that here. Feel free though to start a separate thread on that if you would like to discuss it further.
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Post by diamondsanddollars on Aug 3, 2005 15:46:29 GMT -5
I guess I better put my two cents in about the stock at Tulsa. There were some bulls that bucked good and then there were some that didnt buck so great. People we have to remeber even though there are stats out on these animals they do have their good days and their bad days. Just like we do. Who knows those bulls that scored high this weekend might come out next time and not worth a d**n. You gotta remember the things that play into factor. (too many too list.) So before you go and start getting disapointed in a bull cause he didnt perform upto what his stats say, just keep your eyes on him cause the more he's out in similar settings he'll probably be better. Its scary in those buildings with all the lights, people and noises. I know I use to have a barrel horse that I would have a heck of a time with in buildings but outside with out all the distractions he was awesome. Okay I'll get off my soap box now
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Post by csb on Aug 3, 2005 16:40:07 GMT -5
Bells Blue didnt eat or drink the whole time he was in Tulsa. Sick bulls dont buck well.
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