Well, he has been bucked 22 times total this year, PBR, CBR and PRCA. Thomas hauled him a lot early in the year, but he hasnt been out a bunch as of late. Hes a young bull, and he is going to have his off days. If anyone remembers Curtis Mendells bull Tombstone was a rank dude his first few outs, then hogged off a couple of times, and came back to being a great bull. Look at Neon Nights. One night he is a 24 pointer, the next he is a weak 21.
I didn't mean to start such a firestorm with the original post. He's a great bull. No doubt about it. Both he and Wardance were really impressive when they bucked in the Pace Chute-out in Reno and I'm glad I got to see them in person.
Post by Homeslice on Sept 10, 2005 21:18:10 GMT -5
It is. I must be one of the only people otherwise to consider Neon Nights a bull of the year candidate.
But if I'm not mistaken, Guilherme was 92 on Tombstone to win the event in Greenville this year. The bad out from Tombstone I remember was Ross Johnson for only 79 points in Columbus, OH in 2003.
Back to PB though, I bet if he would've stayed under the ownership of Terry Williams he probably would've only bucked in the CBR and PRCA and never come back to the PBR again because it sounds like Williams is definitely keeping his distance from the PBR (at least from what I heard before) especially because he owns the CBR. It's just too bad that Thomas Taylor can't haul his bulls to many more events than he has this year or else I could also count in Wardance for the BOTY running also because he's been impressive every time.
And plus, as for the year stats, those are definitely wrong. That 6 that you said had to be correct because I think they're trying to count last year's outs into 'this season' as well which isn't correct whatsoever.
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Post by cowgirl4life30 on Sept 10, 2005 22:37:43 GMT -5
Homeslice you are correct. Marchi scored 92 points on him which is Tombstone's highest marked ride to date.
Cody- all the brazilians that have ridden (or attempted) have had bull scores in the mid to high 22's (Marchi- 22.5, Adriano 22.5 and Allan M. 22.7). I should add his highest score is 23 once by Shivers.
However 6 non-brazilian riders have had scores under 22. Ross Johnson being the lowest with 79pts (19.7 bull score) in 03'. Kody Lostroh was the last to attempt him with only a 21 pt bull score. The other riders include Coleman-21.5, Sasse- 21.5, Clark-20.8, Bennett- 21.8, Clark 21.6, Clark 21.8.
I guess my point is let's not start the whole brazilian thing back up!
As far as Pandora's Box goes.... well, I agree with the majority... he has gotten to be pretty inconsistent... I mean look at the stats of his last 6 (only trips in PBR this year) Rider
Cody Whitney Pueblo, CO 78.0 19.0 Brandon Berry Colorado Springs, CO 0.0 21.5 Willis Trosclair Colorado Springs, CO 0.0 22.9 J.W. Hart St. Louis, MO 0.0 23.3 J.W. Hart St. Louis, MO M.O. 0.0 22.9 Rocky McDonald Greensboro, NC 0.0 21.7 AVERAGE 21.9
Now those bull ratings are really inconsistent esp. when you look at his ratings for the year before when he had an average bull score of 22.9 and triple the outs (18). Also he had only one score in the 21's, the next lowest is 22.3. I am not going to speculate why or how it happened but something has happened, he isn't the same bull we are used to seeing.
Post by CThrash13 on Sept 10, 2005 22:51:32 GMT -5
Kelly, didn't you see the smiley face after the part about the Brazilians? That was just an inside joke. I know Guilherme rode him for 92 to win an event. I was just trying to bring out some humor in this topic.
But I'm glad you see my point about him definitely being different this year. At least I got that point across..
And Homeslice, don't worry man. I'm with you on Neon Nights. He is my favorite, just look at my avatar here. I think he has been as consistent as any other top bull this year, with the possible exception of Wardance and Deuces Wild. Those 3 would be my top 3 choices for bull of the year, even though Wardance hasn't been out enough..
Pandora's Box wouldn't even make my top 30 list for bulls of the year. Bulls like Shane dust the floor with Pandora's Box these days.
And don't think I am hating on Pandora's Box because I don't like him. He was my choice for BOTY last year, and he was one of my favorites in the PBR. It's just really a coincedence that he's been so inconsistent since Taylor purchased him.... Hmm..
Post by cowboytodd25 on Sept 11, 2005 12:00:24 GMT -5
There are so many bulls that come and go. I think that Slider is a very underated Bull and that is because he has been overshadowed by hammer and Tony Sharp does not get the respect he deserves.
Pandoras box is just another bull these days.I agree with Cody i couldn't put him in my top 30.
However, with that said i also believe that he could rebound and still be great but it won;t happen here in the pbr he will be a great prca bull like he has been most of his career but he isnt washed up quite yet.
Post by lovetowatch on Mar 29, 2006 15:55:33 GMT -5
What do you have against Taylor Made Bucking Bulls. He has a great pen of bulls. I went to the Tuff Hedeman event in Ft. Worth to watch Wardance, Pandora's Box and Big Bucks. Mr. Taylor seems to me a very good stock contractor. A bull dying due to extreme heat is not unnatural.