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Post by BucknSpin on Jan 2, 2006 15:18:04 GMT -5
While watching the 2nd round of Minneapolis last night, my husband made a comment that I thought deserved to be explored and discussed here on the board:
He wondered if it might be at all possible that in the near future, the bulls bucking on the PBR's top circuit might not be owned by the stock contractors themselves but by the PBR organization. And that the only way you could get your bull on that circuit is to sell him to the PBR.
Any thoughts on this possibly being the future for the bulls/contractors? Think about it: since the PBR is more and more "controlling" all the time, it could be a remote possibility, couldn't it? And with Tom Teague and his "more money than God" in cahoots with the PBR, he could end up being the ONE and ONLY contractor.
Your thoughts??
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Post by CThrash13 on Jan 2, 2006 15:45:07 GMT -5
I sure hope not! That's half the fun for me. And besides, it would shatter my dreams of becoming a PBR contractor. :/
I would really hate to see it, and I don't see it happening at least for the time being. But I definitely wouldn't rule anything out, although the PBR might be up the creek without a paddle if they tried to implement this. A lot of contractors get pretty attached to their bovine stars, and it's tough for them to retire them, much less sell them to the PBR.
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Post by rossco4worldchamp on Jan 2, 2006 20:26:58 GMT -5
Not to mention that the contractors would be kicking themself if they sold the bull and it turned out to be the next LYJ. But the PBR would be buying a lot of hamburger if they tried to implement this too, so it goes either way.
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Post by csb on Jan 2, 2006 22:01:55 GMT -5
They would simply go elsewhere. The place these bull men make their money isnt at the PBR events, rather the payouts are at ABBI and NBBA events.
Tom Teague isnt a contractor anyhow, he is just a guy with money. The Pages do all the work.
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Post by BucknSpin on Jan 3, 2006 9:23:01 GMT -5
Tom Teague isnt a contractor anyhow, he is just a guy with money. The Pages do all the work. Yeah, that's kinda my opinion about Teague, too - but knowing that having lots of money to buy any bull(s) he wants and with him being in the position he is in with the PBR, this is what made me include him in my earlier comments.
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Post by chrisshiversluver on Jan 5, 2006 10:56:19 GMT -5
i dont think that it will ever happen, the PBR will loose all their contractors that they have on tour. Plus where is the PBR going to get the money to pay for all these bulls. Tom Teague might have all the money in the world but the PBR certainly doesnt, at some point the well has to run dry. Buy the bulls will only speed up the process.
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Post by cowgirl4life30 on Jan 5, 2006 13:04:22 GMT -5
I don't think the PBR will ever do this. At this point I think any money they make is going to go toward bigger prizes, more events, and in the pockets of the owners. Right now, the stock contractors take a lot of risk that I don't think the PBR would want to take that on (i.e. transporting bulls, the chance of duds, feed/shelter etc..). The other side is that a lot of contractors make money off semen and if there is no contracting business then people wouldn't exactly want to buy semen. Bull of the year would not be nearly as exciting or matter as much. I don't own cows/bulls but I do have horses and let me tell you they are not cheap and you have to have a lot of land for them. Also, in order to get the bulls to all the events that the PBR has they would need ranchs in two or three different locations, staff to care for these animals on all the locations, trailers/trucks in all locations to transport the bulls, I could go on and on but basically they would need a LARGE amount of capital to do all this plus actually buy the bulls.
There would also be a lot of contractors that wouldn't sell their bulls so the PBR would hand over their best bulls to the CBR, PRCA, etc.. Remember, some stock contractors live off this profession. And if these stock contractors didn't sell the bulls to the PBR... I doubt they'd sell semen.
All and all this would be a horrible thing for the bull riding business.
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Post by mohillbillycowgirl on Jan 6, 2006 16:39:06 GMT -5
Could it happen. Sure, it's a possability. Will it? I doubt it.
If it were to happen, I don't think the contractors would sell their best bulls...those bulls are their money. Instead I think you would see them selling heffers and straws out of their bulls. In that way, they would basically force the PBR to use their bulls for (at the very least) three or more years untill the PBR could build up a large enough herd of good bucking stock. Probably more, because not every calf would be a bull and not every bull would be a bucker. So in doing this the contractors would be ensuring their place in the PBR . The PBR would have to have several thousand head of cattle just to make sure that they had enough quality bucking stock each year for all of their tours. In the long run, it would cost the PBR more to do this, than to use contractors.
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Post by longhorne on Jan 7, 2006 16:35:01 GMT -5
It will never happen, they would lose alot of money. By the time that they would have to fork out the money to have "the best bulls" it would probably cost them several million dollars. Quite frankly anything to do with animals is a risk and I dont see the pbr forking out the dough on this much of a risk. I think everyone on the sidelines looks at these animals and thinks "hey I could make alot of money raising them" and the answer is wrong. Honestly I think alot of people would be shocked to find out how much I spend a year per head on bull's just in the hope's that he may be great.
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Post by BucknSpin on Jun 5, 2006 14:36:25 GMT -5
I don't know, kids - looks to me like this is more and more of a possibility the further we go along. Teague just bought half interest in some more of Nelson's bulls ( www.friedtwinkies.com/blog/?p=176#comments ). I think Teague is well on the way to controlling the bulls used at PBR events, and it looks more and more like alot of them will have his name on them. I know Teague is not the total PBR organization, but he is very much in the thick of things enough to bend that organization to his own means. It'll be interesting to see what the future holds.
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Post by cowboyup1991 on Jun 5, 2006 15:03:19 GMT -5
The way i would think it to happen, is if the PBR did buy all the bulls they would higher up bulls in all states where they have events, so even if the bulls were sold to the pbr, the contractors would still keep the bulls.
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Post by milo on Jun 9, 2006 11:43:36 GMT -5
I have to agree with BucknSpin - Teague is buying interest in more and more of the top bulls, which means they buck exclusively for the PBR, and the more money he puts towards the organization, the more control he has. He buys an interest, the contractor keeps the animal, does all the work, and he shares the "glory" and the profits. The PBR itself doesn't have to worry about buying/raising bulls.
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