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Post by BucknSpin on Jan 16, 2006 10:40:31 GMT -5
Or just a Nightmare?
After this weekend's event, I'm thinking it might be time to scratch Just A Dream from the PBR lineup. From his very first out, that bull has been beyond rank and extremely unconventional in his bucking style. At first I was impressed with his agility and how he got more air consistantly than most bulls out there - really a wild bull to watch. But here of late, because of his bucking style and airs above the ground, he's starting to look downright dangerous.
Now I know that all bulls out there are dangerous, and there is an inherant risk whenever you get on any of them, but with Just A Dream injuring two different riders this past weekend, I'm thinking it might be time to eliminate this bull from the PBR pens. Both injuries were sustained in the same manner. Cody Whitney and Brian Richardson both were pulled down over Just A Dream's head and were slammed by his head as they were coming down and he was coming up. And with Cody's wreck, Just A Dream lost his balance and ended up crashing down onto his side very close to where Cody was. Cody could've been crushed had he been in the wrong spot.
Maybe it's just me, but this bull scares me. I've been a bullriding fan ever since the inception of the PBR, so I've seen many a wreck and injury. But there are some bulls out there who are just too darn dangerous to have riders get on and I think Just A Dream is one of them. I hope they pull him before he ends up killing someone.
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Post by twinpinesmt on Jan 16, 2006 11:47:38 GMT -5
I think he will be out of the line up for a while. But he may just come back like chile did....
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Post by CThrash13 on Jan 16, 2006 13:08:18 GMT -5
It's funny you posted this topic because I just posted a topic over at my blog partially dealing with Just A Dream.
I thought he was trash before this past weekend, but he solidified my opinions for sure. I think he's been rated too high since day one, but that's just me.
He is like Mesquite Heat, only worse in my opinion. I think Mesquite Heat was even more honest than Just A Dream. Hopefully, he will mature and turn into a great bull, but it's not looking good for him right now.
I'm going with Just A Nightmare for sure.
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Post by csb on Jan 16, 2006 13:09:08 GMT -5
Cody went over the handlebars and got hit in just the right spot. Bryan got kissed on the cheek, and that kind of thing happens in bull riding. Guess they better kick that new bull that Teague bought from Kish out of the PBR, he is too dangerous. Gets up in the air, someone might get hit in the mouth. Shane fell down too, they better kick him out. Big Show has brought a couple of guys on his head in the past, they had better boot him before he gets someone hurt. Better yet, how about we all ride stick horses, that way there is no danger? I dont mean to be rude or anything, but get real.
Paul Mendells bull named Bomber is the only bull that should have been kicked out of anything, because he would flip over backwards on purpose.
Im going with Just A Bull.
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Post by TexasRider9 on Jan 16, 2006 13:51:03 GMT -5
I don't think any bull should get kicked out, Ive rode bulls all my life and as a bull rider you know the danger. If you don't want to see danger then don't get in this sport, this sport is always considered the most dangerous sport in the world and then someone says this bull is to dangerous. Thats being about as hypocritical as you can get. We are riding bulls here theres always going to be a lot of danger. I think a lot of the bulls that where banned before was uncalled for. As a bull rider you have to know the consequences and these bulls are just doing their job which is to get the rider off their backs.
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Post by CThrash13 on Jan 16, 2006 13:55:10 GMT -5
Yeah, I see those points, but I figure he will be gone just like Mesquite Heat. I enjoyed watching Mesquite Heat at first because he was capable of putting out an honest effort. He got so wild that the riders scored crappy on him if they made it 8 seconds.
The same goes for Just A Dream. The danger is always there, but the riders won't score high if they do ride him. That's what I hate about him right now. If he was honest, I would enjoy watching him. But he is just a bunch of trash in my opinion.
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Post by chrisshiversn2006 on Jan 16, 2006 14:08:53 GMT -5
This is a can't win subject. People talk about how Mossy Oak Mudslinger is slowing down, he isn't that great, i do not agree. M.O.M is one hell of a bull. He is honest you know what your gonna get and you are gonna win money. Then you look at the new breed of Physchopaths like Just a Dream, Reindeer dippin, and Mesquite Heat. They almost act like they have been inbred and are nuts. I feel the top bulls of the PBR are
Camo, straight up great bull you know what you will get. You will get a high score and win money.
All of little yello jackets kin they are great and hopefully they will be around for a while. Red jacket is by far the best.
Deuces Wild is a little eratic but at least he isn't Stupid.
Uncle Charlie great bucker that you can win some money.
Then my BBOTY Huskers Red is not at all like the above he is hard to ride because he is so fast and strong he just throws you off no tricks no nothing just pure strength.
I guess that is all i have for now.
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Post by twinpinesmt on Jan 16, 2006 14:45:19 GMT -5
When Chile fell down with Cory last year he was out for a long time. He eventually got better and was promoted back to the BFT. I think it might be the same way with Just a Dream. My only problem is that he pulled the same trip twice and pulled two very different style bullriders down on his head I hope he gets some time off and comes back more mature and bucks better.
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Post by BucknSpin on Jan 16, 2006 14:52:31 GMT -5
While I can see - and agree - with the points made above by CSB and TexasRider9, I guess what I neglected to say in my initial post was what Cody T. mentioned: If the riders could score high points if they're able to cover Just A Dream, the risk might be worth the gamble. But from what I've witnessed, Just A Dream is just junk. Why take a risk like that for a 68 or a 72 score?? There's too many other good bulls out there to mess around with stuff like this.
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Post by csb on Jan 16, 2006 17:05:55 GMT -5
Judges dont award points for how nice a bull spins, or how much timing he has. Judges score bulls based on how the bucks and how difficult he is to ride. Just A Dream is extremly difficult to ride, and thats why he is marked so high. They have ridden Just A Dream four times and dang near rode him two other times. Three of the four were 90 points or more. Matt Austin was going to be 90-something on him at the world finals but slapped him, and Cody Whitney would have been 90 something on him had he not double grabbed. I dont know what a high score is to you, but in most cases a 90 point ride is a fairly high score.
They bring a lot of good bulls to the PBR events, and whenever theres one that isnt a nice little spinner, people complain that he is junk. Occasionally, you have to get on bulls that take a little more effort to ride. The guys that want to be world champions are going to ante up and try to make the whistle, and the guys that are there for the camera will complain until theres nothing but little spinners in the pen.
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Post by CThrash13 on Jan 16, 2006 17:12:02 GMT -5
Cody, I don't know about that man. I've seen a lot of difficult bulls scored in the low 80s in the past year or two. Mesquite Heat was very tough to ride every time out, and in OKC last year, he was scored in the mid-80s I believe.
Also, Bomber was scored well the first time, but after that, he was docked some points. The same goes for Werewolf Snuff. He is still very difficult to ride, but he doesn't get many points anymore.
Just A Dream was much more solid in his out with JW Hart, where JW scored 92.
I agree with what you are saying to a certain extent, but the bulls that just go out and jump are being scored lower in the PBR as of late.
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Post by mlm18 on Jan 16, 2006 17:20:55 GMT -5
I'm not really sure what I think of banning certain bulls from the PBR, be it temporary or lifetime. Maybe if it was something the bull did intentionally almost all the time, maybe then he should get banned.....however I won't deny that I do believe that that bull is dangerous.
By the way, does anyone know his lineage?
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Post by csb on Jan 16, 2006 17:44:47 GMT -5
Cody, I don't know about that man. I've seen a lot of difficult bulls scored in the low 80s in the past year or two. Mesquite Heat was very tough to ride every time out, and in OKC last year, he was scored in the mid-80s I believe. Also, Bomber was scored well the first time, but after that, he was docked some points. The same goes for Werewolf Snuff. He is still very difficult to ride, but he doesn't get many points anymore. Just A Dream was much more solid in his out with JW Hart, where JW scored 92. I agree with what you are saying to a certain extent, but the bulls that just go out and jump are being scored lower in the PBR as of late. Stats dont lie. Go look at what they marked Just Aream in the short go with B-Rich. |
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Post by NoGeeksPls on Jan 16, 2006 17:54:15 GMT -5
I agree with CSBs posts.
I don't think the stats lie.
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Post by CThrash13 on Jan 16, 2006 18:17:43 GMT -5
Stats dont lie. Go look at what they marked Just Aream in the short go with B-Rich. Good point Cody, but he was 42.25 the day before with Cody Whitney. That's why he made my overrated bulls list. I never said he should be banned, but I have a feeling he may be in the near future. I just think he is trash. That's my point in all of this mess. I just don't like him. |
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