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Post by onehotcowboy on Jan 16, 2006 19:43:04 GMT -5
The PBR has alot of great bulls. Unfortunatly....alot of you only see the PBR, PRCA events that are on TV. Alot of you have no idea what " BAD" bulls are. Back in 97 I worked a pen of Joe and Nevada Bergers young bulls, at an all indian rodeo in Newtown ND. There was about 40 head of bulls, and every one had bats 2ft and better. All were around3-4 yrs old, and NEVER saw humans till this bullriding. Let me tell you.......You wanna talk about some "BAD" bulls?  35 of them were hookin the people trying to load them, the chute help, the riders while in the chute, me when the rider comme off, the chase horse in the arena, even tried to hook the calves penned up down in the other end of the arena, tore apart the arena several times and places. Of them 40 bulls.....only 1 qualified ride for 2 days, and thats because his spur caught in the flank strap, and he couldnt fall off....even after the 8. Now this is just an example of 1 rodeo that had some wild bulls. Joe Simon is known for having killers. Bob Barnes used to put the Mexican fighting bulls in the draw for people to ride. You want to talk about a fun time when someone falls off.... I know, cuz...I was the one workin them. And Im sure there are several others out there that have stories to share on "BAD" bulls. It happens all over. The PBR isnt going to bring killers into there program...but that doesnt mean they dont exist. That little bit this Just A Dream bull does is mild. If ya cant stand to see it...Dont watch it. If your afraid to get hurt...dont ride. But....thats just me  |
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Post by rodeocowboy1202 on Jan 16, 2006 21:27:04 GMT -5
"They talked about banning Just a Dream, but I was one the ones who voted to keep him here. I may not be able to ride any of them but I AM NOT SCARED OF ANY OF THEM"
-J.W. Hart
"I'm not backin down from no bull, I'm a BULL RIDER"
-Terry Don West
You have to have that mantality to be a bull rider and if you dont...QUIT
Smooth Move does the same thing...he just hasnt got anyone yet.
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Post by cowboyup1991 on Jan 16, 2006 22:29:49 GMT -5
i hadnt heard anything of banning just a dream i dont see any reason to ban him
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Post by cowgirl4life30 on Jan 17, 2006 0:57:20 GMT -5
wait--- why do you guys all think it's okay to get rid of bulls on BFTS??? You know that most of these bulls that the BFTS "ban" only go to the PRCA until they are better... i.e Chili did this and got better and now is back. Which is the reason the PRCA guys don't dink around in the chute is because they are used to bad bahaving bulls and know if they stay in there too long it's dangerous... so those of you that complain about how long guys stay in the chute on BFTS should want more "bad behaving" bulls on tour to rectify the problem.
And what exactly are you guys saying when you say a bull should be banned for hurting a guy?...Are you saying that the BFTS guys aren't as tough as the PRCA riders?
Granted, I don't like the bull but I certainly don't think he needs to be "banned." Do you really think Whitney and Richardson wouldn't take a rematch if they had the chance?
And for those that say he is trash and you can't get a high score, you need to research it: He is the 29th on the rankest bull list and has 22.5 bull rating. To talk about the 21 rating the night before is rediculous since the 10 rides before that were no lower than 22.3 and all the way up to 23.2. I'd say that you can get a high score.
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Post by CThrash13 on Jan 17, 2006 9:45:56 GMT -5
And for those that say he is trash and you can't get a high score, you need to research it: He is the 29th on the rankest bull list and has 22.5 bull rating. To talk about the 21 rating the night before is rediculous since the 10 rides before that were no lower than 22.3 and all the way up to 23.2. I'd say that you can get a high score. Kelly, it's not always about the numbers. Did you read my overrated bulls list? Just A Dream is rated too high almost every time. I will admit he was a rank dude against B-Rich, but he was absolute trash with Whitney. 42.25 was VERY generous. And his trip at The Finals with Helton was garbage as well. Kelly, numbers aren't always the thing to go by. Sometimes, common sense works a little better, and common sense is what I go by more often than not. Numbers are political 9 times out of 10, and everyone here knows that. |
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Post by WI8SecFan on Jan 17, 2006 10:06:31 GMT -5
Sorry gotta disagree with that one. Yes, politics may play a small role in one or two trips but over time the stats become more and more accurate. In the end I will take the opinion of a professional trained judge sitting in the arena over the opinion of a fan with no judging experience watching on TV and trying to score a bull everytime.
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Post by CThrash13 on Jan 17, 2006 10:30:18 GMT -5
Terri, Disagree all you want, but I still think you are wrong. Three words: Little Yellow JacketTell me politics played a part in only one or two trips in that bull's career. As for Just A Dream, I still think he is trash 75-80% of the time, and that's my opinion...even if I am just a fan that doesn't know what I'm talking about as you would say. And how do you know I don't have any judging experience. You could be wrong about that.  I also think it's pretty crappy to take Mesquite Heat out of the PBR but continue to allow Just A Dream to buck. And for the record, I haven't stated one time in this topic about wanting Just A Dream banned. I think everyone has misread my posts or something. I said the bull is trash and overrated, that's all I've stated so far. I could care less if they let him continue bucking or not. I just think he is probably going to be gone if he has another trip or two like he did this past weekend. It happened to Mesquite Heat.. |
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Post by cowgirl4life30 on Jan 17, 2006 16:34:33 GMT -5
Cody- common sense has nothing to do with judging. I don't think politics play AS big a part as you might think. Yes, each judge is looking for something different and that's okay. You, I, CB, and everyone on this board like different bulls for different reasons... is that politics? not really, that is preference.
Yes, LYJ did get rated higher than he deserved SOMETIMES but a lot of unridden or almost always unridden bulls are rated higher on a regular basis. Is that fair? I think so, if a guy is the first or one of the few guys to ride a bull, the bull is OBVIOUSLY difficult to ride and I do think they deserve a few extra points. Not to mention every guy out there wants to be the first guy to ride a bull....A perfect example of this is from last weekend. McBride said that he didn't think Hammer was weaker on this trip.. he said he thought Hammer bucked harder than the time he rode him for 92pts. He also said that Hammer just didn't get ridden much back when he scored 92. So, yes politics are a factor but eventually things even out.
Back to Just a Dream.... You can say he is trash for the way he bucks and I'll agree- he can be dirty. But as CSB stated above they score a bull based on difficulty and you will never convince anybody that he isn't difficult and/or rank. Cody Whitney wouldn't have hit the ground that hard had Just a Dream not had some power in the back end. I am sorry but JW Hart made an amazing ride on him and deserved every point he got. The out with B-Rich was rank, his out with Newberry in Columbus was rank, Ross Coleman had him last year and that out was impressive as well... Even the out with Helton was rank on his Just a Dream's behalf at finals.
On to Mesquite Heat... First, I thought he was injured and that was why he isn't bucking.. I could be wrong but I swear I remember hearing something about him. Second, Mesquite Heat in his last few outs was unreliable in terms of performance... think back to Mike White's out in the MO when the bull only scored 15.2 (wow! an American with a abnormally low score on the bull). Or the 20.2 out with J-dub for only 85.5 pts. And who knows...maybe they changed his name again! I hate when contractors do that. Either way, the bull scores matter to me... maybe not you and either way your opinion, my opinion, or anybody else's opinion doesn't really matter because the judge's will keep scoring the way they think the bull/rider performed.
BTW, again my post about banning wasn't aimed toward you.. it's toward anyone who feels the bull should be banned.. and if you don't feel that way then it doesn't pertain to you.
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Post by CThrash13 on Jan 17, 2006 16:55:34 GMT -5
I don't agree with this at all, especially when you look at Wishfull Thinking. He is never rated very high, and this was after bucking off 16 straight riders. I'll admit his trip with Adriano was crappy, but if your assumptions are correct, the score would have been in the high 80s, if not 90.
I never said he didn't have power, but Cody Whitney hit the ground hard after he was hit by Just A Dream's head. He wasn't thrown off without getting a little extra push from the bull's head on the way down.
I never said he didn't deserve a 92.
I said his out with B-Rich was rank.
I don't agree with this for a second. The trip was crapola.
That's all for now I suppose. I don't think the bull should be banned, but he shouldn't be in the short-go either....at least until he matures a little more.
And if he was banned for some reason, I wouldn't lose sleep over it.
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Post by onehotcowboy on Jan 22, 2006 22:25:45 GMT -5
....Which girl is prettier? ? Depends on WHO is looking !!!! Every judge is differant. The great spinners sure do look better, but the trashy ones are harder to ride. Just because things look great on paper...doesnt always mean that its right....and visa versa. |
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Post by CThrash13 on Jan 23, 2006 14:04:11 GMT -5
Yeah, I agree with you.
But there are also some bulls that go out and get the riders a 75 point marking, and in all reality, those bulls are the toughest to ride sometimes. They just run out, bellyroll, jump around, and are trash.
It's just tough for me to distinguish a "high-score" trash bull from a "low-score" trash bull. The judges/announcers need to distinguish the two for the fans.
There is no doubt Deuces Wild is one of the toughest to ride. But so are some of the other bulls that get scores in the 70s. It's just tough to tell the difference for me, unless Deuces Wild is bucking like he did against B-Rich. Then I can see where the 46 score comes from. But the night before with Cody Whitney, I wouldn't have scored him 80 points. But he was still tough to ride.
Blah......it's too confusing.
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Post by BucknSpin on Jan 23, 2006 16:32:54 GMT -5
OK - I've been sitting here reading the comments of the past week regarding this subject and taking a little bit of a beating on my opinion of Just A Dream. Apparently my thinking is NOT out of line: (from the Fried Twinkies blog) Apparently he’s created a movement to get him banned from PBR competition.
Richardson said when he regained consciousness in the sports medicine room Saturday, he heard Ross Coleman, Whitney and other riders talking about the bull.
“I heard a lot of them talking about we need to get that bull out of here before he kills somebody,’’ he said.Read the entire article: www.friedtwinkies.com/blog/?p=74 |
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Post by onehotcowboy on Jan 23, 2006 19:40:08 GMT -5
My opinion of "HIGH" and "LOW" score trash.....HIGH...Abull that jumps,kicks, bucks, bellyrolls, throws his head everywhere !!!! LOW....a bull that bellyrolls, lunges, walks on his front end, and covers alot of ground!!! But thats just my opinion....  |
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Post by CThrash13 on Jan 24, 2006 10:43:06 GMT -5
My opinion of "HIGH" and "LOW" score trash.....HIGH...Abull that jumps,kicks, bucks, bellyrolls, throws his head everywhere !!!! LOW....a bull that bellyrolls, lunges, walks on his front end, and covers alot of ground!!! But thats just my opinion.... That does help out. Thanks Chief! That being said, I've seen Just A Dream be both HIGH and LOW trash based on your observations of each. |
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Post by mohillbillycowgirl on Jan 24, 2006 17:40:14 GMT -5
OK - I've been sitting here reading the comments of the past week regarding this subject and taking a little bit of a beating on my opinion of Just A Dream. Apparently my thinking is NOT out of line: (from the Fried Twinkies blog) Apparently he’s created a movement to get him banned from PBR competition.
Richardson said when he regained consciousness in the sports medicine room Saturday, he heard Ross Coleman, Whitney and other riders talking about the bull.
“I heard a lot of them talking about we need to get that bull out of here before he kills somebody,’’ he said.Read the entire article: www.friedtwinkies.com/blog/?p=74I've already posted on the Fried Twinkies blog, but I'm going to do so again here. I've yet to see that bull do anything while bucking to actually try to hurt a rider. I've see bulls who would. Bodacious was one. At one point befor he started throwing his head, Bo would scrape guys off on the fence. There was once a bull in the PRCA that learned to literally throw himself onto the ground. Those bulls are dangerous, because they have learned that those moves got a rider off his back. Just a Dream doesn't do that. He's a rank son of a buck...not unridable obviously, but rank just the same. You know, when PBR started out, that's all they had. double rank, if you stub your toe you're going to get your bell rung, type of bulls. That was the whole point. At that time if you made it in the PBR, you were the elite of the elite...the cut above the best. Now, if a guy stubs his toe and gets whipped down...he doesn't own up to his own mistakes. Suddenly it's "that bull is dangerous"... If they are too scared to ride a rank bull then maybe they ought to go back to junior steers. |
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35 of them were hookin the people trying to load them, the chute help, the riders while in the chute, me when the rider comme off, the chase horse in the arena, even tried to hook the calves penned up down in the other end of the arena, tore apart the arena several times and places. Of them 40 bulls.....only 1 qualified ride for 2 days, and thats because his spur caught in the flank strap, and he couldnt fall off....even after the 8. Now this is just an example of 1 rodeo that had some wild bulls. Joe Simon is known for having killers. Bob Barnes used to put the Mexican fighting bulls in the draw for people to ride. You want to talk about a fun time when someone falls off.... I know, cuz...I was the one workin them. And Im sure there are several others out there that have stories to share on "BAD" bulls. It happens all over. The PBR isnt going to bring killers into there program...but that doesnt mean they dont exist. That little bit this Just A Dream bull does is mild. If ya cant stand to see it...Dont watch it. If your afraid to get hurt...dont ride. But....thats just me 
