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Cloning
Nov 17, 2006 15:56:18 GMT -5
Post by WI8SecFan on Nov 17, 2006 15:56:18 GMT -5
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mlm18
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Cloning
Nov 17, 2006 16:32:59 GMT -5
Post by mlm18 on Nov 17, 2006 16:32:59 GMT -5
I think I already heard about them cloning a bucking bull already, if I remember correctly I think they said it was Houdini, I could be wrong though so don't count me 100% on that. Also, again if I remember correctly, I think they are using the bull just for breeding and not for bucking.
I really don't know much about cloning, so who knows if the resultant clone would have the same heart or personality. Another question might be is if this became more common would orginazations like the PBR and/or PRCA allow cloned animals to buck? Or would they be like the horse racing industry and make cloning and artificial insemination illegal? Its pretty clear the AI is perfectly fine in the bull bucking industry, be interesting to see how things pan out if cloning becomes more prevalent.
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Cloning
Nov 17, 2006 17:07:14 GMT -5
Post by dairymary on Nov 17, 2006 17:07:14 GMT -5
the only thing the cloned animal will have the same as the original is the genetics. everything else is a gamble. coat color and pattern, personality and what not is never the same. look at twin cattle that are born, they are never marked the same and production out of twin milking cows tend to vary. there is a set at the dairy that one girl is almost solid white, while her twin is almost solid back. their milk production has a 10 pound a day difference (about 1.2 gallons).other sets there are closer on production, but never have any of them looked or acted the same. also, the cloned animal ages alot faster than a normal animal. the genes that the clone gets are already at a set time, so the body ages faster to catch back up.
also, if the bulls dont buck, what are you going to do with them? meat from cloned animals is not allowed to go to slaughter for human consumption. the offspring from that animal can go for human consumption though. maybe by the time if cloned bulls were to become more common cloned animals can go for human consumption, seeing as that it would be quite a few years before any cloned bull would go for that. (cost, genetics and time to let bull mature would be factors in that) personally, i would like to see what the cloned bulls would do in the arena. they would have the genetics to be able to be an awesome bucker, but would they have the heart and attitude to do so?
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Cloning
Nov 17, 2006 22:23:42 GMT -5
Post by TexasRider9 on Nov 17, 2006 22:23:42 GMT -5
They have already cloned several bulls and cows. They dont always buck like the originals did.
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Cloning
Nov 20, 2006 13:11:58 GMT -5
Post by twinpinesmt on Nov 20, 2006 13:11:58 GMT -5
I will play devils advocate here.... #naughtywag#
How do we know cloned animals are not already in the food chain? How can you tell a cloned animal from the origonal(besides color and maybe personality..but who says it might just not be another animal), or even a cloned beef from a regular beef when it is hung?
The USDA already approved milk from cloned cows to go into the food chain. We also already know that calves from cloned dams/sires are in the food chain also....
Tina
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Cloning
Nov 20, 2006 16:30:44 GMT -5
Post by dairymary on Nov 20, 2006 16:30:44 GMT -5
we dont know if cloned animals are in the food chain or not....but i think right now no animal is going to go into the food chain because of cost of making that cloned animal. also, legally, i dont think a producer would wanna risk the cost of a fine for breaking the law of no cloned animals for slughter for human consumption. i bet there is a hefty fine for that, i do not know how much it is, but my guess quite a bit. and there is no way at all to tell when the carcass is on the rail to tell it is a clone or not. only way to be able to tell would be to do a DNA test before you slaughter it. there is no visual way to be able to tell either. personally i dont get why the clone can go into the food system for human. everything is the same in that animal as another animal. and if it is treated like any other animal, there shouldnt be any problems with it when it comes time to slaughter. Milk from cloned cows is ok i guess, even though it is a product from a cloned animal like meat it. but there really arent that many cloned cows out there. The dairy industry is going to take off in the cloning department hoping to get superior cows. But, milk production from the clones is not going to be the same. there are too many variables that go into how much a cow produces for it to be the same. unless it is the exact same enviroment as its parent, it wont be the same. and i little thing i like... the offspring should genetically superior to its parents. basically, you are improving your herd with each generation of cows. with cloning you are having the same genetics. so when you think about it, you really are not going to make any genetic advancements for a whole generation. so why hold yourself back when you can further yourself during that generation.
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Cloning
Nov 21, 2006 15:11:58 GMT -5
Post by twinpinesmt on Nov 21, 2006 15:11:58 GMT -5
Very good post Mary.....that is pretty much the point I was trying to get people thinking about...
Now what happens to that cloned bull/cow when its usefulness is over? Does is get buried somewhere or are they going to try to make a quick buck and send it to the slaughter/sale barn?
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Cloning
Nov 30, 2006 13:15:21 GMT -5
Post by cowgirl4life30 on Nov 30, 2006 13:15:21 GMT -5
Houdini has been cloned. The cloned one is supposedly called Hou Made Hou. Pretty sure he is registered in the ABBI and will buck eventually.
Others that have been cloned: Panhandle Slim, CP 1 Kung Fu (cow), and I am sure many more.
Also heard they are going to clone Kidd Rock.
Panhandle and Kung Fu were cloned for breeding purposes only. I am all for cloning. Buyers should buy based on performance anyway. If you're buying based on bloodlines then you'll run the same risk with cloned bull as you would a non-cloned bull.
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