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Post by diamondsanddollars on Aug 7, 2005 22:25:11 GMT -5
I do have to applaude the judges on the call to goose egg Edgar for slippin a knot. Like Tater said in the interview with Leah, "he made a poor choice and got caught."
I need to go back and watch the last few weeks he's done good on tv and see if thats something he does all the time or if it is an occasional thing dependin on his draw.
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Post by firecracker on Aug 8, 2005 0:13:58 GMT -5
That was amazing-the fact that Edgar was stone cold busted! Is there any chance at all that his spur got "Caught" in that rope? He usually rides like he has Velcro on his Butt, so to see him attached at the boot on the rope was a sudden surprise. And I thought this guy was just so good. Was he cheating and got caught? Or was it freak accidental happenstance?
Thanks for posting this diamondsanddollars...............
Rich
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Post by rodeocowboy1202 on Aug 8, 2005 15:24:03 GMT -5
A lot of young guys with catch knots so they can stay on and make a name for themselves. We hav had that problem in our high school rodeos. You could actually see him searching for that knot hold with his spur in the chutes on both his rides which makes me think if he is as good as he shows on his other rides cause i dont really see him hustling with his feet much which is a sign that he catches knots
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Post by CThrash13 on Aug 8, 2005 16:03:47 GMT -5
I'm not saying he does it or he doesn't. But if he does intentionally and has previously intentionally, he needs to be busted good! He needs to hand those wins and prize money to the 2nd place guy. Cheating is cheating.
One thing to take into account though is the Tater Porter Invitational was well before his BFTS wins, so that may have been the only warning he needed. That might have gotten his attention, and there is a good chance he hasn't done it since..
I'll give him the benefit of the doubt I guess..
Didn't Rocky McDonald get a couple 0s at the finals last year for doing that same thing?
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Post by rodeocowboy1202 on Aug 8, 2005 18:13:10 GMT -5
I credit the judges on catching edgard but I dont think Taters ride was a 90 point ride...sure the bull was hard to ride but that was not a 90 by far
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Post by diamondsanddollars on Aug 8, 2005 22:51:32 GMT -5
Actually they have caught several guys this year "catching a knot" just the ones they have caught werent rides that were shown on tv. Yes Rocky did get goose egged last year during the finals.
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Post by firecracker on Aug 8, 2005 23:27:55 GMT -5
Just so I know what is going on here: can someone please explain the way that this cheating is being accomplished? Explain the method. Is there a knot on the rope placed in a position such that the rider can hook his spur behind the knot and cling to the bull? Or is the spur hooked below the knot on the outside of the rope? Or is the spur hooked just inside the rope and there is no knot?
Thanks
Rich
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Post by csb on Aug 9, 2005 0:22:52 GMT -5
I saw on the sheets at ProBullStats that he got DQed for loops, but I didnt know it was that obvious. If you watched his right leg, it hardly moved in the chute while his left one had quite a bit of movement.
Its completely legal to grab knots when your out of the chute, just not while youre sitting in the box.
Cody Hart got popped in Phoenix last year, and Rocky McDonald got caught at the finals.
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Post by rodeocowboy1202 on Aug 9, 2005 0:30:03 GMT -5
Catchin a knot is when a rider slips his spur in between the rope and the bull or when he slips his spur inside the knot of the bull rope...its only a DQ if he does in before the ride but if it happens during the ride its ok
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Post by BucknSpin on Aug 9, 2005 10:07:09 GMT -5
Hmmm...I thought it was always illegal to catch a knot, whether it's in the chute or out. (Learn sumthin new every day!) Can someone please explain why it's not OK in the chute, but OK during the ride? Seems to me it would help a rider stay on the 8 seconds if he's using it during the ride and not be too beneficial to do it in the chute.
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Post by CThrash13 on Aug 9, 2005 10:09:31 GMT -5
Seems to me it's a disastrous injury waiting to happen. Is that not dangerous stuff??
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Post by csb on Aug 9, 2005 12:48:09 GMT -5
Its legal out of the chute because how do you know a guy didnt just get his spur stuck the in the rope? Unintentional knots holds area common occurance.
Its easy to get a knot hold in the chute. The bull is standing still, your legs and rope arent moving. When youre out of the chute, the bull, your rope, and your feet are all moving, so its hard to intentionally grab knots.
Accidentally grabbing knots is no fun. You can get seriously hurt if something goes awry. Ive had the pleasure of grabbing a knot while bucking off and the end result was a pulled groin.
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Post by megz07 on Aug 9, 2005 15:49:16 GMT -5
Hmmm...I thought it was always illegal to catch a knot, whether it's in the chute or out. (Learn sumthin new every day!) ha! same here!  I feel so much smarter now!sure am glad yall cleared all this up! Just to be sure.... so basically waht your sayin is: they dont allow it in the chute because of the bigger chance of injury and its cheating,but outside its so common that you cant really prove that it wasnt an accident and on purpose? AND you really wouldnt want to anyway because it could get ya hung up??? btw is there someone who checks the chutes before you leave to make sure your not doing this...or do they just depend on tapes and common sense? |
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Post by csb on Aug 9, 2005 20:10:08 GMT -5
Unintentionally catching knots doesnt happen all that often. Knots are dangerous and yes you have a greater potential for injury.
The back judge is supposed to be watching it. Its not always easy to catch and they miss it more often than not.
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I feel so much smarter now!sure am glad yall cleared all this up!