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Post by rossco4worldchamp on Apr 30, 2006 8:15:12 GMT -5
I never read the fried twinkies blog, but I'm surprised nobody mentioned this:
Edgard Oliveira, a two-time winner during his rookie season last year, faces an indefinite suspension for a run-in with Cody Custer, the PBR’s supervisor of judges, after Custer disqualified Oliveira for taking too long in the chutes.
The incident took place Friday night in the first round at the Nampa Invitational when Oliveira was trying to get settled on Tar Baby. After Custer disqualified Oliveira, the rider climbed out of the chutes and angrily leaned into Custer with his shoulder.
Oliveira, a native of Brazil who is 25th in the overall season standings, did not ride Saturday on the second and final day of the PBR event in Nampa, Idaho. The PBR board is expected to rule on the matter no later than Monday.
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Post by cowboyup1991 on Apr 30, 2006 14:05:53 GMT -5
now you need to know who you can buck up to and who you cant. The main judges is one of the people that you cant
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Post by jamiesjustapbrfan on Apr 30, 2006 15:08:15 GMT -5
Isn't Tar Baby kind of a pain in the chutes to begin with? I think that some of the higher ups are taking this political thing too far, but then again that's just one persons opinion.
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Post by cowboyup1991 on Apr 30, 2006 15:27:59 GMT -5
there are a few tar babies out there. But the one he got on usually isnt
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Post by AmandaNewberry on Apr 30, 2006 21:09:40 GMT -5
Jody was not present when the DQ occured, however, he said a lot of guys were saying that the bull was leaning on him pretty bad. He kept asking them to help, but Cody told him that was his job...to move the bull. So, he took too long, got DQ'd and got too upset. He's facing suspension, which I don't totally disagree with. It's a dang good thing that Jody didn't muster up and hit someone after his bad call in Vegas and Reno!
God bless, Amanda
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Post by WI8SecFan on Apr 30, 2006 21:34:56 GMT -5
This is a hard one. We know there are two sides to every story too. With that said...
There is NO excuse...absolutly none for doing anything to a judge for any reason. Allowing that to go unpunished would be a very dangerous precedent and should not be tolerated for any reason.
On the other side it has to be unbelievably frustrating to be doing everything that you can to do your job and not be allowed to do it. Especially since there are bills and expenses to be paid.
Is it understandable to be fustrated...absolutly...go ahead stomp your feet yell if necessary but a physical altercation especially with a judge can never be the right answer and will need to be punished.
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Post by wycowboy on Apr 30, 2006 22:45:02 GMT -5
I agree, if they don't do anything to him then they shouldn't ever do anything to anyone else. And if they're going to do that to Jody (and I'm still mad at) they better not let it slide. God Bless
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Post by firecracker on May 1, 2006 0:26:51 GMT -5
They should send Edgard back to South America with his Brazillian rope between his legs. They showed the altercation on thge tube tonight. He was severely out of line. Once judges become fearful of making calls and think about "Thugs" before making a call-the sport is dead.
This rider may have had trouble in the chute. Was he soaking the bull. If not, then he should have made a stink to the board without the flying elbows! Didn't he bust his hand punching a wall or gate recently? Bad Bad temper - now physical abuse against the judges.
He's outta here!! Good!
Rich
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Post by dairymary on May 1, 2006 1:01:25 GMT -5
well rich, i gotta disagree with u. to me it wasnt that bad of a 'shove'. yes you could see that he intentionally did that, but i have seen people get pushed around harder unintentionally. yes he is hot headed, we have seen that inthe past where he has punched a gate. he was caught up in the heat of the moment and cody just happened to be there so he did the 'shove' at him. everyone has gotten caught up in the heat of the moment and done something inrrational. i know i have a few times when i worked at the dairy and got frustrated. it didnt show the whole thing on the tv, so we dont know how the bull acted or if he took forever in the chute. but like amanda said the bull acted up some..so it is alot of he said she said right now for all of us, unless we see what happened.
and yes, i think he needs a punishment. he shouldnt not have something done. i dont think that was bad enough to get kicked outta the pbr for. a fine and suspension yes..that is probly going to happen. but expulsion is to harsh in my eyes for it.
i also thought that if the bull acts up in the chute enough, u can get a reride. maybe i am wrong, but i believe that, i think, peewee's bull acted up in the chute and got a reride. so if the bull was so bad for so long in the chute, why didnt he get a reride option? that is something to think about...
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Post by Barney Rubble on May 1, 2006 8:22:22 GMT -5
The judge has to decide what is causing the bull to act up. If you soak one for a while they'll usually act up a little. I have also seen a certain rider who likes to spur one in the shoulder when the judges aren't looking to get the bull to jump around a little so that he will be given more time to sit in there with his rope already pulled.
What happened in this case? I'm not sure because I was not right on the spot to see it, but the reaction was unconscionable.
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Post by firecracker on May 1, 2006 13:44:01 GMT -5
dairymary- You know-I don't think he should be banned-just sent home to re-evaluate his plught-his mannors, his riding ethics and his team's image. I used to like this rider quite a bit in his rookie year. He came into PBR on a hot streak! Then it became apparent that he was cheating and hooking knots. As soon as he was kept honest by the judges, well his hot streak tapered off. This year he has shown nothing above average. He demostrated his hot temper though.So if Edgard was soaking that bull to gain advantage-so he could take some points, using again, an unfair advantage, then the head judge made this call and that is that.
The shove and elbow to the judge was not brutal. It was a sign if disrespect for PBR authority and body language meant to intimidate Cody personally. Edgard essentially called the judge out. You don't body check a man without the intension of backing it up later. So he was trying to intimidate the judge by implying that "You make a bad call on me-you pay with physical punishment". That is why he will be punished harshly. Good. Glad about the suspension-be it temporarily-or not.
Look how bad he has made the Brasilain Team Look! I'll bet this own team with thrash him plenty. They are getting the reputation of being unsportsman-like hot heads coming in to clean out the prize money coffe can- or bust.
If Edgard rides again (I don't care if he doesn't) Do you think the judges will give Edgard the benefit of the doubt any time soon? Not likely. He'll be watched like a hawk if he sets foot in another arena.
My two cents only here I'm sure.
Rich
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Post by jamiesjustapbrfan on May 1, 2006 15:26:08 GMT -5
Custer favors suspension for Oliveira after incident
May 1st, 2006 by Josh Peter
Cody Custer, shoved by rider Edgard Oliveira Friday night after Custer disqualified him for taking too long in the chute, said he’s in favor of the PBR suspending Oliveira.
Custer, the PBR’s supervisor of officials, said failure to discipline the rider would send the wrong message.
“If you don’t discipline somebody for that, it leaves the door open for them to think they can do whatever,” Custer said by phone Monday. “You don’t ever touch an official.’’
Oliveira did not compete Saturday at the event in Nampa, Idaho, and it was Custer who decided to keep him out of the draw. But Custer said he would recuse himself from the board’s discussion about a possible penalty because he was involved in the incident and would support the board’s decision.
Custer said he had no indication how soon the board would discuss the situation. But he said he discussed the matter during the event in Nampa, Idaho with Adriano Moraes and J.W. Hart, both members of the PBR’s board, and they agreed that Oliveira’s actions were “unacceptable.’’
“Heck, I rode bulls for years and I was mad at the judges lots of times in my career and I never touched a judge,’’ Custer said. “You never do that. I understand the heat of the battle and stuff, but you still have to control yourself. Any sport when you make contact with a juges, you’re in big trouble.’’
Asked if he was in favor of a suspension, Custer replied, “That would be great. That would be fine with me.’’
After disqualifying Oliveira for taking too long in the chute Friday, Custer, who was serving as a back judge, said he moved on to the next chute when he got shoved from behind. It was Oliveira, who drove a shoulder into Custer’s back before walking away.
Custer stayed focused on the next ride.
“I’m tougher than I look,’’ he quipped. “…If I was a good actor, I would have done a basketball flop.
“The thing is, I could’t believe he actually did it.’’
Of the infraction, Custer said riders are fined every week for chute violations and the disqualification was part of an attempt to crack down on the problem.
“It’s an issue and it needed to be dealt with, and it’s gotten ridiculous,’’ Custer said.
But Custer added, “The call can be debated forever from boths sides. Don’t matter. That isn’t even the issue. The issue is him shoulder-checking the judge.’’
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Post by jamiesjustapbrfan on May 2, 2006 17:00:09 GMT -5
Granted he should not have made contact with the judge....he should have walked away and threw his fit somewhere else but he made a mistake and being that he is a human being he's entitled to make a few right? I'm sure none of us have ever made one right? And I am not condoneing assault but were there maybe a few to many people around and he may have just flat out run into him (I don't know I missed that part of the broadcast)? And to be honest with you Edgard is NOT the only person on the BFTS that has a temper! I do believe that I saw LJ Jenkins throw a temper tantrum in Nampa! I know I've seen Brendon Clark throw tantrums, I've seen Ross Coleman throw tantrums, I've seen J-Dub throw tantrum, Adriano throws tantrums on a pretty regular basis and yet all a lot of people can focus on is the fact that Edgard has thrown a few tantrums himself (my opinion I could be totally off base but that's what I have interpreted from my reading on here and other boards). I've also read about the bull acting up. So when Pee Wee's bull acts up and throws a fit in the chute he gets another bull but when Edgard bull pulls the same crap he gets DQ'ed and potentially suspended? To me there is something fishy about that whole situation.
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Post by rossco4worldchamp on May 2, 2006 17:13:52 GMT -5
I do believe that I saw LJ Jenkins throw a temper tantrum in Nampa! I know I've seen Brendon Clark throw tantrums, I've seen Ross Coleman throw tantrums, I've seen J-Dub throw tantrum, Adriano throws tantrums on a pretty regular basis But they never focused their anger at anybody else, let alone a judge. Like Amanda said, Jody kept his composure when he was at the finals. There is no excuse for it. I say suspend him, but don't keep him out for an indefinate amount of time.
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Post by onehotcowboy on May 2, 2006 21:11:46 GMT -5
Well, my take on this is....your supposed to be a "PROFESIONAL" athlete, in the PUBLIC eye. ACT like one then. I understand the heat of the moment, I have seen plenty of riders act like a child in the arena. And also....I thought alot of these riders are "CHRISTIAN" cowboys??? Is that what "GOD" preaches??? Children look up to these people, and I hope they dont think that pushing judges, or temper tantrums are ok. Maybe they ALL need to be knocked down a level or two, and re-think their whole attitude, things could always be worse......and for those of you who think I dont know what its like, or how they feel......Ive been there, maybe not on the PBR series, but Ive been fighting bulls for 27 years.....PRCA,PBR Challenger, to Little Britches. I can count on one hand and probably have fingers left of all the times Ive seen tantrums in the arena, with the exception of the telivised PBR events, that hand got filled at 1-2 events.
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