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Post by ChrisShiversFan on Nov 5, 2006 21:05:00 GMT -5
i'm really not trying to be mean but G. Marchi should have won. And all of u know it. you can not tell me that A.Moraes earned it. he really didnt. because before the finals he fell off all his bulls and was still in 4th. willingham(spelling),lee,and shivers buck off one bull and the move down. that is not right. they really did favor him and he didnt deserve it. I wouldnt be mad if lee or willingham won it because they were really close to it. but moraes/judges stole that from marchi. marchi really did deserve to win and i REALLY hope moraes retires cause i am sick of him and his little attitude. i dont really care if no one believes that but i do.
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Post by chrisshiversluver on Nov 5, 2006 21:30:37 GMT -5
I think you are out of line when you say that Adriano has an attitude, because hes worked his butt off all his life to get to where he is today and to have that "little attitude". Now i agree that it really sucks that Guilherme didnt get the title ... but thats the name of the game, and it just goes to show that things can turn around in the blink of an eye. I think that Adriano himself was a little suprised by it considering he was fourth going into the finals and the way that it was calculated and all that was really weird. I mean i dont think that he thought he was going to get the title ... i mean after he rode he went to the office and hung out cause he thought that Mike Lee was going to take it away from a fellow Brazilian again. The whole last round i was kind of in a daze as to who or what had what amount of points and who was in position to take it away from whom. I think while it is sad to see that all the hard work that guilherme went through go down the toilet, it is also amazing to see that Adriano proved that he is one of if not the greatest bull rider out there, cause if you can win a World title at the age of 36...well than i say your prettty darn deserving and talented. ...oh yeah and there is always next year good job Adriano!!
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Post by brianranse on Nov 6, 2006 0:21:09 GMT -5
HE rode his bulls when it counted.. how can you favour him.. what suddenly give him a score after the event and hope no one notices...
pull your head in... The other guys didnt do it when it mattered.. Mind you they tried their guts out...
No one ever wins a title and doesnt deserve it...nice comments "forrest"
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Post by csb on Nov 6, 2006 1:04:17 GMT -5
Vengeance...Swet vengeance. Remember two years ago when Adriano rode evry bull they ran under him, and a young man named Mike Lee nabbed the title from him in Vegas? Same thing here. How can you say they "favored" him? The points system was the same for everyone. The cream rose to the top.
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Post by firecracker on Nov 6, 2006 2:03:20 GMT -5
Marchi Arm slapped. Pretty simple. He still has his youth. Good for the old man!
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Post by jamiesjustapbrfan on Nov 6, 2006 3:21:04 GMT -5
WHERE THE HECK DO YOU COME OFF!!! With all the assorted points that had to be figured in he won it fair and friggin' square! Granted I'm a little bit upset that Guilherme didn't win and has now become the new "McBridesmaid", but Adriano did ride a couple more bulls than the guys ahead of him in the point standings too, so in short, it was "put up or shut up" for everybody ahead of Adriano and they couldn't "put up". So take the hint and SHUT UP!
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Post by mlm18 on Nov 6, 2006 4:50:56 GMT -5
At one time I said the same thing two years ago.....except my comments were directed at Mike Lee. After all, Adriano had been doing great all year up until the bicep injuy, Mike Lee had yet to win a single BFTS event. After a while I got over it and came to realize my comments were out of line. I'm a traditionalist. I don't like the new points system and given under that yes, Guilherme should have won the title (even under normal point system I don't know if Willingham or Lee could have caught him). Ganted, times are different now. Just becuase you come into the finals with a 3,000 point lead does not mean you will win the title like it usesd to be; its anyones game. If you want the title you have to continue to ride in top form, Guilherme didn't. Adriano did.
I don't see where you get off that they "favored Adriano". Guilherme slapped Just A Dream with his arm, end of story, and I don't remember any other controversial decisions by the judges directed to either Marchi or Moraes. He won it fair and square in my mind as well. I'm sure Adriano worked hard for that title and to say he has a "little attitude" (where on earth did you get that from?) and doesn't deserve it is beyond low on your part.
Guilherme is still young, he'll have other finals and world titles to try to go out there to win. Experience won out in this case. I think Guilherme kinda froze a little bit being in the drivers seat of his destiny so to speak. If anything it will be a great learning experience for him, don't slack off just because you can see the finish line.
Don't like my opinion? Tough.
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Post by jamiesjustapbrfan on Nov 6, 2006 7:20:06 GMT -5
MLM18 I LOVE YOUR OPINION!!
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Post by jamiesjustapbrfan on Nov 6, 2006 7:43:17 GMT -5
They don't call it "The World's Toughest Sport on Dirt" for nothing! NOTHING is final until the last rider's head hits the ground! You say in the title of your thread that your "not trying to be mean" and yet in your post you become down right visicous towards Adriano (A LEGEND by the way and a great ambassdor for the sport!) and really have nothing to back it up! I think the best part of the whole short round was after Adriano rode Here's Your Sign, when he went across the arena found his family and gave each and everyone of them a hug and a kiss. If you call that "attitude" then your more than a little bit messed up. As I've said in another thread....as long as he's Physically and Mentally still in the game he's gonna play until he's not and from what I've seen in the last two weeks, he's still got more than a little fire burning in his belly!
Adriano also has a lot of Firsts: 1. He's the first PBR World Champion EVER 2. He's the first rider to win TWO Championships 3. He's the first to ever win THREE Championships!
I like the interview that he did at the end, he showed a lot of emotion and it was very heartfelt....He's a great Champion and to whoever doesn't believe that.....well.....TO HECK WITH YOU!
P.S. I just loved how they felt it necessary to show Guilherme in the locker room sobbing (Dripping with sarcasm! Talk about kicking a man while he's down!)
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Post by rossjustinfan on Nov 6, 2006 8:08:20 GMT -5
I don't think they handed Adriano anything....he earned the World Title. Every night Justin,Ty and Craig talked about whoever rode the most bulls of the top 6 guys would be the World Champ and that is what Adriano did. As much as I wanted Guliheme (or Sean W) to win he did not "step it up" during the first week-end. He rode 1 out of 3 the first weekend where Adriano rode 3 out of 3 (or was it 2 out of 3). That is what hurt him the most because his point advantage dropped.
I too thought it was wonderful that Adriano went to his family and hugged and kissed his family after his final ride. It shows that he is a great dad/husband. I did feel really sorry for Guliheme when he was sobbing in the lockeroom and think that the cameramen should have left him alone and let him cry in peace...he knows he did not get the job done, but I don't think it was right shoving a camera in his face seconds after losing the title for the second time.
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Post by jamiesjustapbrfan on Nov 6, 2006 8:24:03 GMT -5
I agree with you whole heartly Rossjustinfan...Leave the poor man alone. It's bad enough he's the new "McBridesmaid", just leave him be. I'm sure a part of him was happy to see a legend like Adriano win but I think he just had so many emotions all jumbled up that the sobbing part won out in the end. They actually showed Guilherme crying twice...The other time was when he was in the hall right before Adriano's ride on Here's Your Sign....when he was crouched down on the floor with his hands over his eyes.
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Post by Homeslice on Nov 6, 2006 8:51:15 GMT -5
I agree wholeheartedly. I mean, I really did feel bad for Guilherme, and it wasn't right to put a camera on his face when they showed him crying at the end of the show - he needed to be alone. Hopefully he will bounce back though and win one eventually.
That being said though, I couldn't be happier for Adriano. This is something he has seriously worked for these past few years since winning the 2nd world title (save for 2003 when he couldn't ride anything), and he earned it for sure. And yes, he had factors to overcome like old age and injuries, but he never gave up (even when he jumped off a few). He is a great man, and the fact he went right to see his family after the amazing ride in the short-go was just touching to say the least. He deserves this honor for sure. And I'm sure he still doesn't like this points system, despite what Craig Hummer said at the end. That is saying something right there.
I agree with everyone here when I say you, ChrisShiversFan, were just downright rude to Adriano as a human being in general despite the title of this thread! Sure, he's had his fits before but that is all past him and it doesn't make him any less of a person than he is. If you don't like Adriano, then, seriously, just stop watching the PBR, plain and simple. I find it sad that there are people that will never support him.
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Post by CThrash13 on Nov 6, 2006 10:11:09 GMT -5
I just hope everyone shuts up about Mike Lee's win in 2004 now. This is the same whining I heard back then as well. Mike Lee rode well when he needed to in 2004, and he deserved to win the World Title. The same can be said for Adriano this season. He did things when he needed to.
It was just crazy how Mike Lee would have won the World Title if he would have ridden Coyote. Well, I don't know the exact points, but he would have been very close. And Marchi would have won if he didn't slap Just A Dream. That's how things should be, all the way down to the last ride. Great stuff!
As for Adriano winning it, congrats to him! He was probably 45th on my own personal list of guys I wanted to see win the 2006 World Title, but that doesn't mean I hate the guy. I just wish Marchi would have held on. I'm not a fan of him either, but he rode so well all year long. He is the new PBR brides maid though, so maybe he will break out next year.
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Post by unclecharlie on Nov 6, 2006 10:18:45 GMT -5
ChrisShiversFan, I believe you are missing something very important here. Adriano has said all along that he does not like the point system. After, last nights event he even looked at bernard and said "I still dont like the point syastem". Adriano has proven over time that he is one of the greatest Proffesional Bull Riders of all time. Marchi, controlled his own destiny and didn't step up to the challenge. If anybody is to blame for Marchi not winning, it is Marchi. He slapped the bull, He thought he had it wrapped up and the truth is he didnt earn the title like 3-Time World Champion Adriano Moraes did. Riding 4 straight and then bouncing back after getting bucked off stepped up rode two bull on the final night and walked away with the title.
Congrats Adriano on a hard earned World Championship.
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Post by Hotel Carolina Ranch on Nov 6, 2006 10:50:31 GMT -5
The last time I checked, all 45 riders signed up at the beginning of the year knowing the points swing at the finals. They all new the rules and played by them. Adriano earned this one. He finished just a few points shy of the event title as well. This will go down as one of the best performances over the last 2 weeks in bull riding history. I like Marchi. He just didn't have the Finals he needed. Moraes knows how he feels (2004 losing to Mike Lee after leading going in). Is this season that different than 2004. Yeah, Adriano took care of business.
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