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Post by onehotcowboy on Nov 5, 2006 21:31:30 GMT -5
Im a little concerned that Paulo rode all 6 rounds hurt, made the short go......Guilherme doesnt make it with the World title on the line.....and now when Paulo drops out, Guilherme goes in to get on another bull.....coincidence....or not...  ? I know he still didnt win, but no one knew that at the time. Just seems a little wierd to me. |
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Post by chrisshiversluver on Nov 5, 2006 21:36:23 GMT -5
hmm never thought of it that way...really good point. If it was planed it sucks for Paulo cause it didnt work out in the end.
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Post by onehotcowboy on Nov 5, 2006 21:41:47 GMT -5
If im not mistaken...wasnt paulo sitting 2nd? WHY drop out then??? |
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Post by rodeocowboy1202 on Nov 5, 2006 23:41:19 GMT -5
good point but he would hav made it anyway because brendon dropped out
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Post by onehotcowboy on Nov 5, 2006 23:55:36 GMT -5
Now which one dropped out first??? And why did Brendon drop out also??? They both rode all 6 rounds to make it to the short go...at the FINALS i might add, to just drop out...Sorry...thats not right. You went that far, unless your dead, you need to get on.
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Post by jamiesjustapbrfan on Nov 6, 2006 7:48:20 GMT -5
Brendon dropped out cause he got stomped by his long round bull. Paulo on the other hand I have no idea why he wasn't in the short round like he was supposed to be. Maybe it had something to do with that wreck he was in on Friday? I don't know something smells a little bit fishy if you ask me!
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Post by pbrbigfan on Nov 6, 2006 9:40:40 GMT -5
Nothing fishy at all. Brendon's leg was hurt and Paulo got hit in the ribs again on Sun. afternoon. Brendon's not riding let Marchi in and I can guarantee you it was because he was hurt. It's Brendon, nothing keeps him from riding if he can!
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Post by CThrash13 on Nov 6, 2006 10:04:32 GMT -5
Yeah, Marchi got in when Brendon Clark was hurt. And you could definitely tell he hurt his leg pretty badly after his buck off. It looked pretty nasty.
Mike White is the rider who got in when Paulo withdrew from the short-go. I didn't really know what happened to Paulo, but I guess it was the rib injury like pbrbigfan stated above.
Either way, they should just take the top 15 and move on. If two guys can't go, then it should be 13 guys instead of 15. I know the fans wouldn't be too happy, but it would be the fairest thing to do. Marchi and White didn't earn their way into the top 15, so they had no business in being there.
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Post by WI8SecFan on Nov 7, 2006 16:27:15 GMT -5
Why change the rules for the finals? The only provision in the rule book for the finals for the short go is that there can not be more then 15 riders and outlines a tie breaking order.
As far as the injuries. Brendon was in a lot of pain and would not have been able to get off the bull let alone get away afterwards. There was also concern if the bull fought him in the chute. As far as Paulo is concerned he wanted to get on that bull more then anything but at that point couldn't. He was in some terrible pain and made the decision with the medical team.
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Post by cowgirl4life30 on Nov 7, 2006 16:28:08 GMT -5
Brendon and Cory Melton were both on crutches Sunday night. Talked to Brendon and his legs not broken but it's hurt bad. There is far too much money (not to mention a bonus for making the short-go) for a guy to give up, just to let Marchi get in.
Never saw Paulo Crimber on Sunday night but I doubt any guy sitting in the top 3 would not ride if he wasn't in pain.
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Post by CThrash13 on Nov 8, 2006 9:48:42 GMT -5
Why change the rules for the finals? The only provision in the rule book for the finals for the short go is that there can not be more then 15 riders and outlines a tie breaking order. I never said a thing about changing the rules for The Finals. It should be that way for every event. I know the fans may not like it, but oh well. If a guy doesn't earn his way into the top 15 by riding, they shouldn't have a chance to move up to 7th or 8th or even possibly 1st in regular season events. It skews the points the way I see it. Guilherme didn't deserve to win the World Title after not getting the job done and finishing inside the top 15 in the first place. If he would have rode Just A Dream without slapping, there isn't a doubt in my mind he would have won the World Title. How is that the right way to do things? |
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Post by mlm18 on Nov 8, 2006 10:38:36 GMT -5
I agree that it would be nice that if someone had to drop out of the short go that they only be fourteen riders riding instead of the normal fifteen. That's just me though. Its not going to happen unless PBR decides to do it. Only downside I see is unless someone is awarded a reride you're going to miss out on seeing one of the short go bulls.
Off topic, but I read and posted a link to a news paper article in the thread titled "Not Trying To Be Mean". Make a long story short the article said that even if Guilherme Marchi got a score on Just A Dream he would have still lost the world title to Adriano by 9 points. Links on the other thread if you want to read it.
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Post by CThrash13 on Nov 8, 2006 11:50:33 GMT -5
I just have a hard time believing Marchi wouldn't have won the World Title if he didn't slap Just A Dream, especially since he would have gotten points for the go-round, a 7th or 8th place overall finish and his ride score. That would have to be at least 400 points wouldn't it? I'm not sure that article is accurate, although it really doesn't matter now.
Does anyone know how many points the 7th or 8th place finishers received. I saw it numerous times, but I can't remember now.
Edit: I did some research, and by my calculations, Marchi would have easily won the World Title with his ride on Just A Dream. He would have gotten 500 points for a ninth-place finish in the overall standings and 200 points for his short-go score. That's not even counting his 88 on the ride itself. That would have put him in first place by a solid 400 or 500 points. I'm not sure that writer knew what he/she was talking about, at least by my research. Am I missing something?
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Post by mlm18 on Nov 8, 2006 13:14:51 GMT -5
From what I can find about the points system the rider that wins a round recieves 400 points in addition to the score he got on the bull. There is a 50 point drop each place down to eight place. The event champion wins 2,500 points with a 250 point drop drop down till tenth place. That was from a Pro Bull Rider Magazine, so I'm pretty sure its accurate. I'd sit down and do the math, maybe I'll do it later when I have more time.
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Post by mlm18 on Nov 8, 2006 13:50:30 GMT -5
Hrm, I just sat down and did some math (using a caluculator for accuracy) and I got just about the same answer you did once I factored in the score and bones points Guilherme would have recieved had they not taken away the score on Just A Dream. According to my calcuations Guilherme would have won the title had they let him keep that score. Maybe we're both missing something? I did more research on the points system and found yet another article (this time in the USA Today) stating that even if Guilherme had recieved the score on Just A Dream that he still would have finished second even with that score to Adriano. You can read that article here if you'd like: www.usatoday.com/sports/2006-11-05-rodeo_x.htmI'm beginning to wonder if anyone, or even the PBR knows how to properly calculate their own points system. |
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? I know he still didnt win, but no one knew that at the time. Just seems a little wierd to me.
