Gus
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Post by Gus on Jun 17, 2005 1:08:39 GMT -5
Myron Duarte rode Tahonta for 94 points in trhe short round of Reno Xtreme Bulls Thursday night. It was a great ride and a great effort from Tahonta, who was making his first trip of the year.
Wesley Silcox beat Myron by a half point to win the event. He had a 90 on Spotted Jacket (a Yellow Jacket calf) in the short round.
B.J. Schumacher had a 91 on Western Rodeo's Red One in the short round and finished third.
All in all, it was a great bull riding. Reindeer slammed Fred Boettcher, Unforgiven and Keller Special were both good, Zack Oakes rode Werewolf for 86.5 points (Werewolf kind of stumbled).
Watch out for Big Bend's Ready Bo. That might be their next Bull of the Year.
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Post by BamaLorne on Jun 17, 2005 10:21:40 GMT -5
Way to go Myron!!!!
Keller Special is one Rank bull. He should have won Bull of the Finals last year and I think it will be a close race between him and Reindeer for BOTY this year.
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Post by cowboytodd25 on Jun 17, 2005 11:44:37 GMT -5
In responding to a previous post Tahonta is now washed up. LOL J/K. That sounds like a great ride. Duarte is a sticky veteran and to be honest i am rather surprized he rode him. for a 94 the bull score must have been at least 46. To be honest reindeer should not have been matched-up against Reindeer that would be like the yankees playing my son's little league team. No offense fred Boetcher fans but i am just being honest. Was mr. usa or Black Sabbath there and if so how did they do? I dont know much about the bull ready bo but they always have some bodacious son that is suppode to be good and then phizzles out so we will se i hope you're right. I think the bull of the year has come down to a three bull race. Reindeer Dippin, Mossyoak mudslinger and Little Yellow Jacket at least for the pbr.
The finals bull could be Keller Special, Unforgiven, And despite what he did last night Wearwolf Snuff.
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Post by WI8SecFan on Jun 17, 2005 12:29:45 GMT -5
Wow Myron must have had an almost perfect ride to have covered him. I am also thrilled to see that BJ got third. He is still my pick to win it all.
I would have liked to see Fred have also made a qualified ride. Actually I think that it would have been great to see BJ and Fred's match-ups reversed. Although BJ would probably disagree!
Now, Todd you know that I am going to have to disagree with you on your comment regarding Fred though. I will give you that he had a VERY bad start to the year when he was on the PBR tour (I will admit that I asked myself at one point if he was trying to get off the tour). I know that all the riders have some sort of injuries and ride hurt but I can not help but think that part of it may have been due to his knee injury. Fred is a tall guy for a bull rider and tends to ride with his knees more then most, a knee injury really impacts his riding. In fact, he recently stated that is why he sat out most of the PRCA winter tour was to try to heal his knee.
With that said I think that your assessment of him as a little league team vs the Yankees is a bit extreme. Let me remind you of Fred's credentials. He is a 5 time NFR qualifier (he only missed '99 and '02 since his first one in '98), last year he won two rounds of the NFR (after sustaining and injury that would have sidelined him if it was not the finals), 7 time Pace qualifier and qualified for the PBR finals last year. You do not have that kind of consistent resume unless you can ride. If you listen to Tuff's commentary at the NFR from last year he indicated the same thing.
I will make a deal with you...I think that Fred is going to do very well in the summer tour if he stays healthy. I bet he is in the top 10 of the summer tour at the end. If he is not I will admit that I was wrong. If he is you will have to admit you were wrong. #cowboy#
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Post by cowboytodd25 on Jun 17, 2005 12:49:10 GMT -5
Harsh i will agree with but i have to say Reindeer against anybody right now is a mismatch. Especially somebody hurt. I will take back the comparison but i feel it was a very bad matchup thats it i know you like the guy and i was not trying to get under anybody's skin but i do have to say he has not shown me much this year nor for that matter last year either but hey i wish him the very best.
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Post by WI8SecFan on Jun 17, 2005 14:27:32 GMT -5
It takes a lot more then that to get under my skin! I consider it a healthy discussion of facts. You are correct about Fred if you look at just his first few months’ stats this year. I was just pointing out that is uncharacteristic for him. He has started to come around in the past two months though and that is why I am willing to predict his summer tour success.
I also have to agree that Reindeer has been very difficult to ride and I don’t know if there is anyone that can ride him right now. I know a lot of cowboys that would like to try! I don’t know that Reindeer would be any ones ideal bull in the short go with a lot of money on the line, including Fred’s. I personally would have loved to see him on Ready Bo who is one of my favorite bulls right now. It still would have been a very difficult match but a better one.
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Post by CThrash13 on Jun 17, 2005 14:37:06 GMT -5
I agree with Todd on this one. I have never seen anything great out of Fred Boetcher. And everyone knows by now I've only been watching for a couple years, so I won't say anything about him prior to 2004. But from what I've seen, he hasn't showed me much, except for getting mad a lot of times after he bucks off. BJ Schumacher has been hurt just as much as Fred, if not more. And he still keeps sticking it on bulls. Maybe not as much as he usually does, but he has still been getting the job done. I think Fred on Reindeer is definitely a mismatch and he couldn't cover him 1 time out of 10 IMO.. But then again, at least he was in the short go.  I'll give you that Terri.. I don't know much about the PRCA standings right now, but if I was a betting man, I would bet against Fred making the NFR. And I'll definitely admit it if I'm wrong. I tried not to be harsh there, but that was my opinion on the matter as well. Edit: I forgot to thank you Gus for posting these results. Thanks a lot, we appreciate hearing such fast results. |
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Gus
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Post by Gus on Jun 17, 2005 15:26:45 GMT -5
I'll say this about Fred. He had a great, 86-point ride on Western Rodeo's Broken Bone in the first round to get to the finals. I think like most of the bull riders out there, including the PBR guys, he's intimidated by Reindeer. Fred has reason to be because he was hurt by Reindeer last year at one of the northwest rodeos (Pendleton or Ellensburg or one of those, I can't remember which.)
Fred had a great ride at the Reno Rodeo last year and placed high. When he's healthy, he can ride, but no one can match up with Reindeer right now. He came out, faked like he was taking his typical right hand turn and then went back to the left and turned Fred into a yard dart. No one could have made that corner.
Bama, you're right about Keller Special. He slammed Matt Austin in 3.2 seconds and Matt has been riding everything lately.
Terri, BJ looks like the BJ of old. He was topped off in perfect shape on both of his rides.
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Post by WI8SecFan on Jun 17, 2005 17:01:26 GMT -5
Yes Cody, if you are judging Fred’s riding ability just on his televised PBR rides this season and last you should not be impressed. That would mean that the only rides you have really seen is his finals rides last year and the being of this season that, as I stated earlier, were very uncharacteristic. I would think that I had lost it too if I read my post and that was all I had to go on!
He had a very good 2004 year overall. First, he was one of the statistically most consistent riders last year (yes he even beat BJ in this category last year!). He also rode well enough on the CT to make the PBR finals over guys that had spent most of the year on the big money BFTS. Unfortunately, these events were not the televised events. Remember too that he is primarily a PRCA rider so that is where most of his rides have been and show a better picture of his ability. He had a very good PRCA season and a good NFR last year. I have been watching him ride for about seven years now and I know that he can ride some great bulls and have seen him make some great rides during that time. Oh and I will take your bet!
As for BJ…He looks great this year! I really think that if he would not have had to have surgery last year he would already have a PRCA title. His ability to keep great form just amazes me. I love to watch him ride!
But I fear we have once again strayed a bit off topic but hey it was fun to have some intelligent discussion so who cares! Well I am off to the rodeo now!
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Post by cowboytodd25 on Jun 17, 2005 18:13:29 GMT -5
LMAO @ "We had some inteligent conversation" Isn't it funny how the minute you put down a guy that someone likes we have got off the topic. I will have to say 85 percent of the stuff here is off topic alot because certain replies lead to other answers so please realize we are not going to continue on the same topic when someone makes an observation. There is no way in hell BOETCHER rides Reindeer so get over it he may be good but he could not, will not, and didnt so please realize this is the truth off topic or not.
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Post by onehotcowboy on Jun 23, 2005 22:53:27 GMT -5
Sounds like everyone is a little leager to Reindeer. Justin McBride, Dave Samsel, Mike Lee, etc... Dont even know why them guys EVEN TRY to ride him. They should probably go back to the ammy's where they belong. Just because they made it to the ELITE associations Finals...PBR,PRCA, doesnt mean they know how to ride. Especially when you have EXPERTS like all of us here!!! I mean really...hang up the bullropes and come sit online with the rest of us and critizize everyone else. Im sure the pay and thrill is about the same. Just remember people...WHO is out there RIDIN, and WHO is here TALKIN...."AINT A BULL THAT CANT BE RODE, AND A COWBOY THAT CANT BE THROWED".  |
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Post by onehotcowboy on Jun 23, 2005 23:03:32 GMT -5
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention...What the hell was the PRCA computer thinkin........matchin up Fred with Reindeer. They need to re do there system, so riders can pick there own bull, instead of gettin on one that is randomly drawn for you.....
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Post by CThrash13 on Jun 23, 2005 23:07:17 GMT -5
Chief,
My opinions are still the same on Fred, even if you did get a little steam off your chest for your hometown guy. I'm still not going to change how I feel.
And rodeo is nothing without our opinions. If it weren't for us, there wouldn't be rodeo. So I think what we say and think mean just as much as anything else. Besides, if it weren't for us fans, you wouldn't be getting paid to do what you love either.
So I think as long as we are helping to pay the bills, we can say whatever we feel about whoever we feel.
And Fred is overrated, nuff said.
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Post by csb on Jun 24, 2005 14:11:27 GMT -5
Well, after he gave 809 Wild Side some money chops at the NFR, Id say otherwise. He isnt riding as well this year as he has in the past though.
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Post by CThrash13 on Jun 24, 2005 14:28:14 GMT -5
Maybe I just think he is overrated because Terri talks about him so much. And I never see him riding anything, PBR or PRCA. How many bulls did he ride at the NFR last year because I could have sworn he didn't ride that many. But yeah, it's easy to get tired of a rider when you hear so much about them and never see any good. |
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I'll give you that Terri.. I don't know much about the PRCA standings right now, but if I was a betting man, I would bet against Fred making the NFR. And I'll definitely admit it if I'm wrong.