Post by onehotcowboy on Jun 25, 2005 21:21:54 GMT -5
My My....ranting?? Getting steam off my chest??? SORRY..........I wasnt doing either. Just replying to some of the other replies. Like " YANKEES PLAYING A LITTLE LEAGUE TEAM". "EVERYBODY IS A MISMATCH FOR REINDEER". I NEVER said anything about Fred bieng great or piss poor. Fred is a great rider, and YES...he is in a slump. Doesnt mean he isnt good. Code-man, I know you havent seen him ride except on TV, and he seems to ALWAYS buck off, but I dont think he made the NFR 5X by bucking off bulls. Ive known Fred and BJ since they were 10 yrs old. Im not sticking up for them either, I dont need to....they both have done what alot of us WISH we could have done. You must have mis-read my post. It was directed more towards the statements listed above. Again...if reindeer is so great...then why do riders try to ride him?? I would be very interested in your answers. Im not saying he isnt a great bull, because he is. Someone WILL get him rode...."AINT A BULL THAT CANT BE RODE, AND A COWBOY THAT CANT BE THROWED" !!! Now me gettin on Reindeer would be a mismatch, that you could compare to the little league comment...but not Fred, Justin, Dave, or anyone in the PBR or PRCA, or even the NFPB. ANYBODY in the PBR tour is there for a reason....they KNOW how to ride. Just because you dont ride every one ,doesnt mean you suck!!! We ALL have our bad days...even the bulls.....if WE could all be perfect....we wouldnt have anything to argue about. Thats why Im glad that you still know how to argue TODD.....you make my day . Lookin forward to your answers on WHY they try to ride him.....till we meet again.......
Live everyday like its your last....for one day, it will be !!!!
Post by cowboytodd25 on Jun 25, 2005 21:56:23 GMT -5
First off they can get on him all they want and it does not matter who it is it will be a quit trip. I dont care if it is justin, why you would throw dave in there i have no clue he would eat dave alive and dave is a friend of mine he said the same thing but he would still try. My point is yes keep riding or try riding him forever and you will see a very impressive list. He is a very special bull and we all need to stand up and recognize that and not like Hotel California when he is gone we decide to give him some props he was greatand never got the credit he deserved.
I dont care if you are fred's father i just think he was overmatched and i feel the buls have made him look bad. BJ he has been a grerat rider as has fred but in the pbr they were overmatched. Like i said in another post lets grow up and let the truth be spoke. Reindeer Dippin Will go down as a great one you just watch.
Yes this is the big leagues and some riders need a little more seasoning or go where you can get your head on straight by getting into a groove.
OHC ANYBODY WHO GETS ON REINDEER RIGHT NOW WILL BE LOOKING LIKE A LITTLE LEAGUER OK THATS THE BOTTOM LINE I DON'T CARE WHO IT IS WAIT.........................................................................................................................................THERE IS ONE GUY I FEEL MIGHT BE ABLE TO RIDE RDD AND THAT WOULD BE MIGHTY MIKE LEE SO I GUESS I WAS WRONG SORRY I DO THINK HE COULD RIDE REINDEER.
You were all uptight hence the gerbil line and you know what you were no matter what you say.
Post by onehotcowboy on Jun 25, 2005 22:16:05 GMT -5
Im so excited....again, You may be right that everyone may be overmatched, and I to agree that Mike Lee has a chance to ride him, and again....I agree that reindeer is a great bull.....all this agreeing with you? Hope people dont think that you and I are an item now. I am confused on your last statement though...." all uptight?", and" I know what i am, no matter what I say?" Please explain, im a little confused here, hope to hear from you soon.....
Live everyday like its your last....for one day, it will be !!!!
Kind of hard to compare Greg Potter and Fred Boettcher, two completely different riders and two different situations.
Todd, you said: "Yes this is the big leagues and some riders need a little more seasoning or go where you can get your head on straight by getting into a groove."
I hate to burst your bubble, but Fred Boettcher has qualified for more NFR's than most of the PBR boys could ever hope for. Fred probably isnt going to the NFR this year. Doesnt thave what it takes THIS YEAR I dont think. It takes something else to make the NFR, and making five of them is an incredible accomplishment. You dont get to the NFR by winning big at one or two shows like some other associations I know of (but thats a whole 'nother debate).
- Fred Boettchers riding percentage since '03? 48%. -Matt Austin has never ridden on the BFTS tour. He has more than enough talent to contend with the likes of McBride, Shivers, and Moraes. - BJ declined his spot on the tour to pursue a PRCA world championship. -The NFR had more fans in attendance than the PBR Finals did this year, even with more rounds. -Dustin Elliot rode better than all of the riders you mentioned above, and thats why he won it all. If he wanted to jump on the PBR train, he could. He wants another title - Greg Potter and Paulo Crimber are just NFR regulars. Nothing special. They hit the same rodeos as everyone else, and they ride well. Paulo almost missed the NFR last year, but rode well when it counted and limped in.
TODD! Why did you delete your posts? I thought you were right no matter what us kids say? Id like to see that video of Adriano riding all 10 at the NFR back in '89 or '90. And I want to see all of Greg Potters 11 consecutive NFR appearances!
Come on stat man, tell me more of these great feats!
I'm not saying that some of the PRCA guys aren't good enough to compete in the PBR. But top to bottom, I'll take the PBR guys over the PRCA guys any day of the week. Fred Boetcher is good enough to make it into the top 15 in the PRCA, but he can BARELY make it into the top 45 on the BFTS. If it was all BFTS events, Fred wouldn't even be close to the top 45.
Maybe his riding percentage is 48% in the last 5 years or whatever, but if he was in the PBR full-time, maybe it would be about 10%. I know it has been from what I've seen. You can't really argue with the fact that he has stunk it up majorly in the PBR.
I think BJ Schumacher, Dustin Elliot, and Matt Austin could be PBR top 10 guys, but others like Clint Craig, Fred Boetcher, Bryan Richardson have choked it off in the bright lights of the PBR. If they turn it around, I'll be the first to say something. But they haven't showed me jack. And they were all NFR qualifiers.
If the PBR's top ten went to the PRCA, they would be in the same positions IMO.
So I don't need all the stats in my face, I can call it like I see it. And the PRCA guys haven't gotten the job done in the PBR as of late.
There is a reason I watch the PBR religiously instead of the PRCA. I just think the bulls and riders are better. You obviously can't fault me for speaking my honest opinions. What do you want me to do, lie about it? That's what a lot of others at this board do just to disagree with Todd.
Bryans been to....3, 4 events? Came to one this year and declined his spot on tour to maintain his number one status.
I respect your opinion! The diversity is a good thing. You probably know it but Im not lying about my opinions to get under Todds skin. That guys is the comedian of the forum. You should have seen the things he posted and then deleted last night. I wonder if Greg Potter will make his 12th consecutive NFR appearance?
I'd agree with you to a point on that. Maybe the top five guys in the PBR would hold those same positions in the PRCA although it's hard to tell because you don't know how those guys would hold up if they had to go to 125 rodeos (driving instead of flying) and getting on a a few good bulls and lot of lousy bulls instead of (supposedly) good ones every week.
The true advantages the PBR has is more money, less events, and a better assurance of getting on good bulls.
I have no doubt Justin, Ross, Mike White or Mike Lee could win a PRCA world championship. But I also think Matt Austin, Dustin Elliott or B.J. Schumacher would be top five guys in the PBR if they had the same circumstances as the current guys on tour.
Note: Several posts were deleted by the original posters. As a result, posts that referenced the deleted posts and were not related to the original topic were also deleted. In some cases you will still see a few of these posts referred to. Every attempt to keep as many posts as possible and still keep a coherent thread. I apologize for any inconvenience. If you have any questions or concerns please feel free to contact me.
"All I have to do is really learn how to dance with a bull. You just have to remember that he's definitely leading and you have to follow. You can't get behind at all. If you keep in time with him, you're all right. I just wish it wasn't such a hard dance to learn."- Fred Boettcher
You are both fine with me! Like both of you, I respect the diversified opinions as well.
I just like to have good clean arguments with everyone when possible. I am a little too opinionated sometimes, but that's ok. I think everyone is from time to time. It's my weakness.
And Gus, you are right, it's really tough to see how any of the riders would do in various situations such as the PBR and PRCA. I guess that's some of the intrigue factor that keeps the comparison going.
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