Post by tenesseerustler on Oct 17, 2005 13:40:43 GMT -5
Call me dumb or whatever but i have a question. While visiting the CBR site i noticed that in south dakota Kody Lostroh placed 2nd , now my question is how can he compete in both the CBR and the PBR?
also one more thing the bulls in the short go at sd were almost identical well not almost but like Texas Jack, Scardy Cat, And red jacket. I just found that strange. If lostroh can do it why cant other stars go and compete in both.
From what I've seen, there are quite a few riders who are competing in PBR, PRCA and CBR. Off the top of my head, I've seen Dave Samsel and the Carillos compete at CBR events, and seen Paulo Crimber, Travis Briscoe and LJ Jenkins competing in PRCA. I don't know of any "rule" that disallows them from competing in any association if they compete in another, although I have to say that it wouldn't surprise me to see such a rule be imposed by a certain association in the future, however assinine and unfair it would be to the riders.
Same is true for the stock contractors - most tour all 3 associations' events (and others) and aren't limited to any one in particular. So chances are you will see the same bulls at any of the 3 associations' events.
Also, some confusion can be added in the bull listings, as there often is more than one bull out there with the same name. Since there isn't a registry (yet) that dictates that only one bull can have that name (like the horse breed associations), you can have several bulls with the same name. Happens a good bit, actually.
I think both the bullriders and the stock contractors will go wherever the money is the best and wherever best fits their schedule, with the exception that PBR riders are required to attend all PBR events if they are in the top 45. They aren't permitted an exclusion unless of injuries or personal tragedy, such as death in the family, etc.
Last Edit: Oct 17, 2005 14:13:30 GMT -5 by BucknSpin
"A foolish faith in authority is the worst enemy of truth."
A lot of riders ride everywhere they can. They dont have any ties to the PBR unless they are on the board of directors. They cant however miss any events unless they are injured or there is a family situation like a death, marriage, etc. The PBR conveniently schedules their events on the same days as some CBR events, so most guys dont get to ride in them often. You wont see Texas Jack and a few others in the CBR much anymore. Chad Berger and Larry Ryken bought Texas Jack from Harlan Robertston, so expect to see him at a lot of PBR events.
Post by cowgirl4life30 on Oct 17, 2005 14:41:47 GMT -5
The guys in the PBR are free to go to any event they want as long as it doesn't interfere with BFTS. If a rider is seeded they can be suspended for one year if they miss a BFTS event without an injury or previous permission from the PBR. The PBR is strict on this rule. Many guys compete in all three organizations, as Bucknspin said. Some guys include Cory Melton and Paulo Crimber (who competed in both PBR Finals and NFR finals last year). Greg Potter, Carrillos, Evan Rasch, BJ Schumacher, Clint Craig, ect... all compete on other tours. The other thing to point out is that the PBR tries to eliminate this by scheduling BFTS events during other tours big events. Like the last year finals ran at the same time as the CBR finals (where Allan and Andre Moraes were top competitors but had to bypass the CBR finals in order to not be suspended from the PBR). This year the PBR scheduled an event during Cheyanne Frontier Days where Cory McFadden was leading but had to leave to go to the BFTS event and therefore missed the opportunity to win Cheyanne. So there are obviously some politics involved here.
Stock contractors go to any event they desire. However, bulls have to invited/allowed. Also, as discussed before in MANY other threads there are politics involved and a lot of BOTY winners are owned by contractors that are loyal to the PBR. Other contractors will take their "first string" bulls to one event and their "second string" bulls to another. You see this a lot with BFTS and CT tours.
As long as you are not a shareholder of the PBR you can compete at any bull riding you want to. If you are a shareholder, you can compete in rodeos but not stand alone bullridings.
It cracks me up that everyone is quick to point out that the scheduling conflicts are all the fault of the PBR. Nobody complained when the PRCA added short rounds to Tour Finale rodeos that conflicted with PBR events or when they put Pace Challenges on top of the PBR Finals keeping some PBR bull riders from competing there as well. The Extreme Bulls added a Finals this weekend over Columbus. No one said anything about that.
At this point with everyone trying to do their own thing, there are going to be conflicts. The PBR is not the only one looking out for their own best interest.
Post by tenesseerustler on Oct 17, 2005 17:01:35 GMT -5
I am all about Free Enterprize and i think it is great to be able to compete in different sanctions events however that brings me to the whole seperation. Why isnt there more of a constraint that does not allow for people to jump around. I know dave Samsel had a bad year in pbr not to mention injured but if he fails to qualify in the pbr it does not make sense that he could bump someone out in the CBR finals because he won a couple of events. I dont know it was just an interesting question i had wondered. Thank you all for your imput.
As far as conflicts with the scheduel Business is business and so be it. If they scheduel the same that is ok by me but i would really love to just once see Matt Austin against Mike Lee that would be incredible.Not to mention a sellout.
Then the stock issue, i just want to see the best, i dont care who their affiliation is. That is the only way to compare the talent these days. Is to have the same stock at all the events. Afterall, it is a money game right. LOL
Last Edit: Oct 17, 2005 17:03:49 GMT -5 by tenesseerustler
Post by cowgirl4life30 on Oct 17, 2005 18:13:47 GMT -5
pbrfan... The reason i pointed it out is because the PBR is the only organization that will suspend you for a year if a rider skips out. The PRCA and CBR allow you to miss events. I like the PBR and I understand why they do things but the question was WHY DON'T MORE PBR RIDERS DO IT.
I should also add that a lot of guys don't do the other tours because they want to make enough money to go to the PBR finals therefore they choose CT and ET events instead because money won there counts towards the qualifer money (to get to Vegas).
There are two different aspects of having to only compete in PBR events.
1) Since the formation of the PBR, shareholders who own stock in the PBR are restricted from competing in stand alone bull riding events. It is a choice that is made at the time of purchasing the stock. If a bull rider wants to compete where ever he wishes, he can turn down the option to purchase stock when given it.
2) The other is committing to the BFTS events. If you commit and accept a spot on the BFTS tour, you are saying that you will compete at every BFTS event unless injured or have a family emergency. Failing to do so can result in the suspension for one year. Again, this is a choice that a bull rider makes when he commmits to the BFTS tour.
A bull rider is given a choice in both situations. You are right that most want to make the PBR Finals so they choose to go to CT and other PBR events. Some of them will compete at a CBR but most are loyal to the PBR because in the end the PBR Finals is where all the money is at.
Tenneseerustler, I say hold on to your hat. After Matt Austin finishes kicking butt and wins the PRCA World Title, I bet you'll be seeing him in the PBR.
I am in no way trying to start an arguement here. Just trying to answer with what I know.
Post by cowgirl4life30 on Oct 17, 2005 19:06:57 GMT -5
Pbrfan.. I can agree with all of that. I am not arguing with you, just clarifying. I do like the PBR and think they are by far the smartest organization out there by promoting riders and not just bull riding. I would choose a PBR event over more PRCA and CBR events any day because I KNOW who will be at BFTS events whereas the other events you have no idea (because riders have no obligation to go).
I am not complaining about how they do things so if that came across I didn't mean it that way. I was stating how it is and although it may be unfair to some riders, it is fair to the majority. But the way they conduct business is why they have the sponsors and the big money. The BFTS can guarentee sponsors that the "big names" will be at almost every event and since every event is televised the sponsors are willing to pay money to get their name out there.
I also agree about Matt Austin... once the title is his nothing will stop him from trying for the PBR world title.
BTW a lot of guys prefer the PBR because they don't have to rodeo... which means they have the option of going to events on the weekend and working or hunting or veg during the week. Whereas, PRCA guys are on the road 24/7. The other thing you see is some PRCA guys are on college rodeo teams and have an obligation to their college so they can only hit certain events so they stick with PRCA and CBR where there is no obligation.
Post by diamondsanddollars on Oct 24, 2005 22:48:57 GMT -5
But, he could have driven to that event. The 9/11 attacks were on a Tuesday, giving him enough time to get to the PBR event.
csb, I know. I was just stating the PBR can and will do what it wants. I know bout the whole 9-11 thing, I had to get my butt in a rig all the way in Oklahoma to make it to Pendleton Oregon. So if this barrel racer can make it, so could have Terry Don.