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Post by pbrbigfan on Nov 6, 2007 10:07:51 GMT -5
This whole thread is hysterical. The PBR is so anti-other country bull riders that they have implemented a World Cup that allows other riders from other countries to participate and have the money count towards the World Finals qualifcations (which I've read people complaining about) and then gives the top money winners from those countries a chance to ride at the PBR Finals and qualify for the final weekend of competition. The only 3-time PBR World Champion is a Brazillian and he is imortalized by a bronze that is displayed at the PBR World Headquarters. That doesn't sound like discrimenation to me. The PBR has given especially the Brazillian riders the oppotunity of a lifetime. The are getting green cards and visas to live in America because they are riding bulls in the PBR. The PBR has provided an incredible opportunity for them. One they sure don't have in Brazil or Mexico. They are making more money here than hey could ever dream of making in Brazil. THAT, doesn't sound like discrimation to me. Other than baseball, the PBR provides the greatest opportunity for someone from another country to become a professional athlete and have tremendous success.
Justin rode better all year than anyone else and that's why he has his second world championship. To keep implying anything else totally discredits what he has been able to do this year.
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Post by Barney Rubble on Nov 6, 2007 11:06:09 GMT -5
Thank God for all the experts that post on internet message boards. If only the PBR would hire Overit and Rossco4worldchamp to judge all the bull ridings. I'm willing to bet none of you have ever been a competitive bullrider, if you had you would understand just how good Justin's rides really are.
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Post by jamiesjustapbrfan on Nov 6, 2007 11:07:09 GMT -5
Yeah he rode better than a lot of the other guys nobody is saying he didn't...from what I can tell anyway....I think that what people are saying is that they feel that though he rode well his scores weren't always an accurate representation of that fact. When I look at the ride that he made on Scene of the Crash for 93 points and the ride he made on Camo on Sunday from 92.25 I see a much bigger difference than 3/4 of a point.
"Other than baseball, the PBR provides the greatest opportunity for someone from another country to become a professional athlete and have tremendous success." I agree with you entirely....well until the finals roll around and the "Golden Child" is in contention for a world title. I think it's pretty sad that they call it the World Finals and yet only 5 guys in 14 years who have won it are NOT American's.
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Post by jamiesjustapbrfan on Nov 6, 2007 11:09:14 GMT -5
Wow now we've resorted to personal attacks! That's real grown up. Attacking a person for expressing there opinion that's a new all time low.
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Post by Barney Rubble on Nov 6, 2007 13:00:37 GMT -5
Not attacking a person, just pointing out the flaw in the theory they're putting forward. If I was attacking a person I would call them a doo doo head or something like that
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Post by WI8SecFan on Nov 6, 2007 13:16:13 GMT -5
I have to agree that Justin’s score was not what it should have been especially winning a round when he was out of shape for the last part of the ride. I actually thought I had heard the score wrong at first. As far as it being racial, that has just been a convenient argument that has come out every year. Let’s not forget that at the time of the score JB Mauney was second over all even though Guilherme eventually ended in second place. Also the round win was taken from some very American riders. Although there are some fans that do not want the Brazilians to win at any cost, there are many of them that are huge fans of the Brazilian riders. If you think that marketing is the driver, the fastest growing purchasing population in the US is of a Latino heritage. It is a sport that is judged by humans and at times there are going to be errors (or differences of opinion). It is part of the sport and always will be. The judges are selected by the riders because they believe that they are the best judges in the world and are the most impartial. I have to believe that the crew that was judging the finals was the best possible men for the job. The bottom line is that Justin led all season long and covered the bulls that he needed to walk out with the championship buckle. Congratulations to him for his second World Championship. Best of luck to him during his surgery and long recovery ahead.
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Post by csb on Nov 6, 2007 13:18:27 GMT -5
I'm willing to bet none of you have ever been a competitive bullrider, if you had you would understand just how good Justin's rides really are. So if youre judging a bull riding, and a rider is hanging off to the side for the last second of his ride - how many points over his bull are you going to mark him? Do you give a guy a RR option after he scores 85 points (on a bull that didnt stop, stumble, or foul him at that!)? How many times can you Merry Christmas a guy before the viewers raise an eyebrow? Its a tough subject because the guy is deserving of winning world championships, simply because he rides everything they run under him. I guess its a moot point, but Im a fan of even judging and real scores all the time. As for discrimination - how stupid is that? Think about it for just a second. Bull riding is big in Brazil and in a few other countries, why would the PBR not want to tap into those markets? In the past there have only been a handful of foreign riders at the finals. Up until recently, if there were 5 foeigners at the finals it was a good year for them. With a high concentration of American riders, the odds of a foreign rider winning havent been good. It has nothing to do with discrimination.
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Post by jamiesjustapbrfan on Nov 6, 2007 14:16:39 GMT -5
He's been given a few too many "Merry Christmas'" if you ask me. And unfortunatley those are going to shadow the fact that he is a great bullrider who just happened to have a better year than most guys. I'll admit to not being a very big fan of his but he did some pretty amazing things this season.
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Post by jamiesjustapbrfan on Nov 6, 2007 14:22:22 GMT -5
Ok, so "personal attack" was maybe not the right word for what I was trying to say. I guess what I was trying to say and failed miserably at getting across is that smart ass comments like "Thank God for all the experts that post on internet message boards. If only the PBR would hire Overit and Rossco4worldchamp to judge all the bull ridings. I'm willing to bet none of you have ever been a competitive bullrider, if you had you would understand just how good Justin's rides really are." aren't cool when people are just trying to get across that our new World Champion has been given a couple to many scores that were a tidbit "inflated".
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Post by jamiesjustapbrfan on Nov 6, 2007 14:35:12 GMT -5
As I've been reading some of overit's past posts I think I've found someone who is even less of a Justin McBride fan than I am! ;D
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Post by rossco4worldchamp on Nov 6, 2007 16:17:59 GMT -5
If only the PBR would hire Overit and Rossco4worldchamp to judge all the bull ridings. I'm willing to bet none of you have ever been a competitive bullrider, if you had you would understand just how good Justin's rides really are. OK, now I have to say I have not been, nor do I ever want to be a rider/judge. I have never claimed to be an expert. All I am saying is that when that ride was over, I didn' t think the score matched the ride. I have thought this a number of times throughout the season. I did not start this post, therefore proving the fact that I am not the only one with this opinion.
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Post by Barney Rubble on Nov 6, 2007 18:26:08 GMT -5
True enough, I know you aren't the only one with that opinion. I can see the argument that people were making about Justin's Friday night ride not being the best of the round, although I thought it was better than many are giving it credit for. I just don't get how anyone could have been watching the same bullriding I was Saturday night and not think that he made what was easily the best ride of the round. And to elaborate my other point, the judges who are there are picked by the riders. Those are the 4 guys that we feel are the very best in the world at that job. Maybe we don't all agree with every call that is made, but it bothers me when people are questioning the integrity of those guys, because that is the primary reason that they are voted into the finals. In any association I've ever been a part of when it came time to vote for finals judges I have always based my vote more on the character of the candidates than my own personal feelings about them and even any differences of opinion that I might have on what bull might be harder to ride.
I realize a lot of fans don't like McBride and sometimes that can color their opinion of the event results (at least as much & actually a lot more than personal feelings color a judges opinion) and that is fine. Controversy and debate are healthy to a degree. I just don't see how someone who's not ridden bulls competitively can truly understand how good some rides are, and the fact is Justin makes a high percentage of those type of rides.
Finally, I know I'm a smartass, but thanks for reminding me.
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Post by jamiesjustapbrfan on Nov 7, 2007 2:38:33 GMT -5
All I'm saying is the rider doesn't deserve to be scored above the bull when he's hanging off the side of the bull and completely out of shape. I don't think anybody ever said he doesn't make great rides. What people are saying as I've said before is that the score's just don't seem to be an accurate representation anymore.
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Post by overit on Nov 8, 2007 1:12:47 GMT -5
As I've been reading some of overit's past posts I think I've found someone who is even less of a Justin McBride fan than I am! ;D That's what makes America so great..........you can state your opinion and respect others' views if they are different. McBride may be a really nice guy but that's not the persona that he projects. It seems that a majority of the people on the board have the same opinion when it comes to his scores being padded. Consistency is all that I ask for in judging and scoring and may the best man win with pride and integrity. Is that really too much to ask?
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Post by overit on Nov 8, 2007 1:35:57 GMT -5
Thank God for all the experts that post on internet message boards. If only the PBR would hire Overit and Rossco4worldchamp to judge all the bull ridings. I'm willing to bet none of you have ever been a competitive bullrider, if you had you would understand just how good Justin's rides really are. Overit's name speaks for itself. I have never ever pretended or had it cross my mind that I am an expert judge.......just a fan that watches every event and every ride twice if not 3 times. Second I am not a competitive bullrider, since the PBR did not exist when I became a disabled Desert Storm Veteran. I served and fought to help preserve your entitlement to your opinion and respect that. Let's just keep it mature and stay on task with our discussion. Seeing the different opinions and all of the input not only helps the sport but stimulates the thought process in others. This is not a debate for a political race and no matter what is said here, what's done is done. Maybe the PBR should alternate judges from one event to the other if they aren't already doing so. In small town Texas......honesty, integrity, dignity, and consistency are still important and a hand shake is still as good a written contract. That's the code of the real cowboys that surround our community. It's great to see the passion in the fans of a sport that paid $100 to win an event back in the day. Sometimes a buckle was the all around prize. We can agree to disagree with mutual respect. One thing is for sure, I'll be watching the very next event and paying more attention to the scoring. If you have a link to a "scoring guide" I would love to see it and share it with others so that more fans can understand and become more educated in the overall scheme of the scoring and judging.
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