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Post by diamondsanddollars on Aug 3, 2005 16:08:44 GMT -5
What do you think about the new craze of turing down re-rides?
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Post by cowgirl4life30 on Aug 3, 2005 16:54:53 GMT -5
I don't know if it is really a craze since only the brazilians have really been known to turn down rerides regularly. I think during round one at Tulsa a lot of guys turned them down due to the stock. Terri had mentioned in another post about all the rerides awarded and how terrible some of the bull scores were. The guys probably were playing it safe then sorry since the predictability of new young bulls is null. At least in other rounds they know the reride bull and how hard/easy the bull is and exactly what they could score if they ride.
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Post by cowboytodd25 on Aug 3, 2005 21:16:08 GMT -5
As much as i hate it it is gonna happen more and more if the guys are winning. No it is not just the brazillians as much as people dont like them. Who won this week egdar olivera and who came in second oh thats right tony mendes and guess what they both turned down rerides as did jake macintyre and mark ward. It is a trend many with follow if they keep having the results they do.
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Post by megz07 on Aug 3, 2005 22:28:35 GMT -5
well...my personality is a bit like gaffney on the reride "pride". However, i realize in some of these situations...its just way smarter to not take that reride. As some of yall might recall jody newberry had the option and turned it down. if im not mistaken it was leroy.... actually he cracked me up when they showed him talkin about it. I guess my stand is whatever floats your boat. I personally couldnt deal with the regret of knowing i "might" of done better.
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Post by diamondsanddollars on Aug 3, 2005 22:32:18 GMT -5
The reasoning behind the Brazilians not takin the rerides is cause if they get a check up here, they can go home to Brazile and cash it for more money then what it would be worth in their currency. I was told once that those who have done really great up here money wise are millionares in their home land.
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Post by cowgirl4life30 on Aug 3, 2005 22:58:53 GMT -5
I have a friend that is from Brazil... actually he was here to make $$$ and now is back home in brazil. I don't know about being millionaires but US currency is worth about 5X in brazil. He saved enough money in 3 years to go back to buy 6 or 7 houses (and that is with him making about $25,000/year take home).
Back to the main topic... I do think we will see more people take rerides since it is working out for the people doing it. Some guys have won events while declining a reride. However, some guys will always take the reride (health permitting) like how Gaffney talks about.
Todd- Mendes denied his reride because he didn't want to risk reinjuring his leg... so that is different than being healthy and declining. And when I said the brazilians, I didn't mean they are absolutely the only ones but they are the ones doing it consistently. BTW, I love the Brazilians (as stated above I have friends from there) so when I said that I was NOT bashing them just simply stating what I have observed.
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Post by AmandaNewberry on Aug 4, 2005 11:08:31 GMT -5
Hey everyone...I just wanted to comment on Jody's option to deny the re-ride. If you have noticed in the past, Jody usually takes his re-rides. However, he knew that if he declined the re-ride, he would make the short round. However, if he took the re-ride and bucked off of Leroy, he wouldn't have made the short round. Jody had been on Leroy before and fell off of him. He wants to get on him again, but not when the stakes are that high. It was a risk he wasn't going to take. Personally, I thought he made a good choice. I was afraid he was going to take it...and I didn't want him to. I'm not sure if the majority of you know or not, but the 15 making it back to the short round get a $1000 bonus for making the short round. This has helped SOOO much...not just for us, but all of the guys. By Jody not taking the re-ride (even though he fell off of his short round bull), he came home with $1300 instead of $300.
As far as those who consistantly decline the re-ride, I have to say it's not always a bad decision. A lot of guys feel like Jody does. He says, "I'm not usually going to win the round, but I can hang in there for the average." At this stage in the game, more guys are riding for average money (and points) rather than winning rounds. That's not to say they are not trying to win the round, but in some situations, it's better to just keep your score.
As a general rule, Jody will usually decline his re-ride on the first night (on a 3 night event) b/c he will still have a chance at the average. However, in a situation like Sunday, I believe he was smart to decline the re-ride and take his score of 50 points...which is the lowest score Jody has EVER been awarded!!! (And that's including junior rodeo!!!) Anyway, that's just my thoughts and opinions on the subject!
God bless,
Amanda
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Post by Gus on Aug 4, 2005 11:14:21 GMT -5
It's probably a pretty good idea, especially in the four-ride events like Tulsa. I think only three guys made it to the short round having ridden their three long-round bulls, so it seems any qualified ride is a good thing.
I thought Jody was going to take the reride, too, but he made a good business decision since he was already in the short round.
I think Tony turned down his reride in the first round since he was just coming back from the broken leg and figured it would be better to get on only four bulls rather than five.
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Post by CThrash13 on Aug 4, 2005 11:32:22 GMT -5
I think I would take the re-ride just about every time if I was in the PBR. But then again, I'm very competitive and agressive like that.
That being said, Jody's choice not to take the re-ride was a no-brainer in my opinion. To even think about possibly taking yourself out of the short-go is silly, so he did the right thing. If it was any other scenario, I think he should have taken it, and he probably would have.
And drawing Leroy certainly made it easier for him.
I thought it was funny that G-Man said that the reride bulls are usually really good bulls and not the dirty ones like Leroy. Then come to find out, it would have been Leroy. I don't know if anyone else caught that, but I thought it was funny.
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Post by megz07 on Aug 4, 2005 12:15:04 GMT -5
my last comment may have been confusing, but just to clear it up..i DO think jody made a SMART decision. lol thats what i was trying to say. its in situations like his situation that i think it is just better to turn down the reride. why waste your strength and gamble your position? however in other situations...no im just too stubborn.... if i am healthy, and not gambling a spot in the short go.... i wanna take the reride.
yea cody that was pretty funny....the irony of it all. lol
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Post by WI8SecFan on Aug 4, 2005 13:18:51 GMT -5
I think that as the money increases so will the likely hood that we will see less people take their reride options. The one or two places in the average makes it even more of a gamble. When they were looking at the difference of $300.00 or so then it was not as big of a deal but now you are looking at sometimes a couple thousand if they are not successful. The world title race and finals qualifying also play a bigger role in the decision as we approach the end of the year .
The difference between a three day and a one day or even two day event are also very different. In a three day event you pretty much have to cover two bulls to make the short go. However, even if one bull is only 60 it will move you ahead of the guys that only cover one bull. If it is the first night and you put the points on the board you have to cover only one more bull. If you take the points off the board you have to cover two.
In a two day event one high bull score can get you in the short go so if you erase your 60 point score and get bucked off there is a still a good chance that if you ride your next bull you are still going to make it to the short go. Keeping the 60 points will likely not move you into the short go and you will still need to ride your next bull and it will not probably move you in the standings as dramatically.
As a result the first night of the three night events more guys are likely to decline the reride then normal.
In Tulsa there were a lot of rerides offered and some interesting decisions. I was actually surprised to sea Sean Willingham take the reride on Night Life. However, as soon as it was announced that Jody was given the option of the reride but had a high enough score to make it to the final both I and the guy I was sitting next commented that from a business perspective getting on would not be the smartest move. Yes if he had ridden he would have looked like a genius but if he hadn't we would have all thought he was nuts. He also gained 30 points + in the points standings as well as the additional money.
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Post by diamondsanddollars on Aug 4, 2005 14:13:37 GMT -5
Hey everyone...I just wanted to comment on Jody's option to deny the re-ride. If you have noticed in the past, Jody usually takes his re-rides. However, he knew that if he declined the re-ride, he would make the short round. However, if he took the re-ride and bucked off of Leroy, he wouldn't have made the short round. Jody had been on Leroy before and fell off of him. He wants to get on him again, but not when the stakes are that high. It was a risk he wasn't going to take. Personally, I thought he made a good choice. I was afraid he was going to take it...and I didn't want him to. I'm not sure if the majority of you know or not, but the 15 making it back to the short round get a $1000 bonus for making the short round. This has helped SOOO much...not just for us, but all of the guys. By Jody not taking the re-ride (even though he fell off of his short round bull), he came home with $1300 instead of $300. As far as those who consistantly decline the re-ride, I have to say it's not always a bad decision. A lot of guys feel like Jody does. He says, "I'm not usually going to win the round, but I can hang in there for the average." At this stage in the game, more guys are riding for average money (and points) rather than winning rounds. That's not to say they are not trying to win the round, but in some situations, it's better to just keep your score. As a general rule, Jody will usually decline his re-ride on the first night (on a 3 night event) b/c he will still have a chance at the average. However, in a situation like Sunday, I believe he was smart to decline the re-ride and take his score of 50 points...which is the lowest score Jody has EVER been awarded!!! (And that's including junior rodeo!!!) Anyway, that's just my thoughts and opinions on the subject! God bless, Amanda Amanda Thank you. I have been around rodeoin and bull riding since I was a little kid. I cant remember a time when so many re-rides have ben declined. I think it all depends on what the re-ride draw is as well as who else has coverd along with how many have covered. I think every single guy starting with Mike White last year at finals were smart for not taking a re-ride. Like last weekend when for instance Tony declined his re-ride, not very many guys at tha point and time in the weekend had covered very many bulls. I was brought up with the sense, if you cover and get a score you have a great chance of bringing home a check? Right? Kari |
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