Brazilians

[WI8SecFan]

What it shows is that more then 1/2 the time the bull is given a higher score with the riders that were listed as soaking their bulls their with the other riders. The bull score rates the bulls performance and not the riders and therefor is the best indication on how the bulls are performing with a particular rider assuming the judging is fair and consistent.

[CThrash13]

Mike Lee gets in the chutes, gets ready, and nods his head. The same goes for Wiley Peterson. Those two both get in and out very quickly.

I'm not so worried about the low scores as much as I am the time spent in the chutes. And Marchi, Adriano, etc. stay in the chutes much longer. And JW Hart as well. Most people here are "rider" fans, but I am a "bull" fan. It's just natural for me to hate seeing guys stay in the chutes forever instead of nodding their heads and getting the job done.

I think one person should be pulling the rope, but Marchi usually has two or three. I won't say five, but he has definitely had three in the past. That just kills a lot of good bulls before they have a fair shot.

That's my gripe. And to those who don't see it's mostly Brazilians aren't watching the same telecast I am every week. Sure, there are others that do it, but I guarantee 75% is with Brazilians on board. Is that racist? I don't think so. Is it speaking the truth? Absolutely.

I could care less about the statistics because statistics are easily skewed. Bringing up statistics is pointless in this situation. It's a lot easier to call it like you see it. I have nothing but respect for the Brazilian riders because they do what they love for living and are tough as nails. However, they do need to work on getting out of the chutes faster.

I'm not the only one that says it. The PBR President will say the same thing, and I think that man knows a little about bull riding.

[cowgirl4life30]

Cody those are all valid points. However, my point is spending a lot of time in the chute doesn't mean they are soaking the bull. A lot of guys get in and out of the chute because everyone always says that the chute is the most dangerous place to be.

I will give you that in the past Adriano did spend a lot of time there but you have to admit he is a lot better now.

Another thing to consider is when the rider actually gets in the chute. On numerous occasions I have seen riders in the chute ready but have to unwrap because the guy before them didn't leave the arena promptly and the bull acted up causing the rope to loosen and/or slide. On other occasions they aren't even in the chute until the previous ride is completely over and therefore we are waiting/watching them which doesn't mean they are taking extra time just they started later then other guys do.

I too am a bull fan and an animal lover. I would be upset if the bulls were being mistreated but until there is irrufutable evidence I am not buying into conspiricacy theories. No doubt soaking happened in the past but the PBR has cracked down on it in recent years. If Ty, Cody, the stock contractors or anyone felt the vast majority of the Brazilians were doing it and/or there were one rider consistently doing it then that group and/or rider wouldn't be on tour anymore. It's an organization and if the majority of that organization didn't want someone there they could get rid of them. That is the interesting thing about the PBR, no public rule book means a rule could be added to get rid of someone. I mean how many times has a rule been introduced that we had no idea existed?

[rossco4worldchamp]

Why isn't there a set time? Like in football you have a play clock or basketball you have a shot clock. If nothing is done by the time the timer runs out, you get penalized. Why can't something like that be implemented? Like I've said a million times I am new to this, but I don't see a reason why this can't be done.

[cowgirl4life30]

They do have that. However, it is tricky. That is what the light sticks mentioned in previous posts are talking about. The light stick counts down green, yellow, red for a total of 30 seconds. By the time it gets to red the rider is supposed to be out of the chute.

The tricky part is if the bull is acting up (laying down, leaning on the side of the chute, rearing, etc.) Nobody can expect a rider to leave the chute if they are not properly positioned because the bull isn't cooperating. In the interview with Randy Bernhard, he mentioned something about how they need to come up with an appropriate system for cases like this.

If the rider has a bull that is cooperating with them and they still take too much time, they are fined. You just don't hear about this. It is my understanding that Adriano got fined a lot in the 2004 season. A lot of riders will just pay the fine and have what they feel is a fair chance at the bull. However, you can hear Cody Lambert yelling "get out of the chute or get fined." (this was also referenced above). The system is not perfect but there are consequences. In addition, if a judge, cody lambert or other officials saw a rider soaking a bull they wouldn't sit back and let it happen. There are a lot of people that watch the riders when they are in the chute and I find it hard to believe that everytime a rider spends a lot of time in the chute it's because of this (like some posts above make it sound).

[pbrbigfan]

I've heard there really are a lot of guys getting fined for taking too long in the chute. And they are not all Brazillians. The announcers don't know who is getting fined so it's not mentioned on TV. Taking too long in the chute is not being overlooked by the judges. Ednei was even given a 0 and told to get his rope off at a CT event this summer.
There is a huge difference between taking too long (which guys have been doing for years) and soaking a bull. Some guys are trying to get everything perfect, others are intentionally sitting there with ropes pulled. While neither are great for the bull underneath them, there is a huge difference between the two.

[csb]

cowgirl4life30 said:

CB- if Marchi had 5 guys pulling his rope like you said, he would be fined over and over again and forced to stop the second he is caught... So maybe you are being sarcastic but nobody is going to get away with 3+ guys pulling their ropes.

Reread the post. I didnt say five guys. I said five hands. Two from two other riders and one of his own.

[cowgirl4life30]

okay that makes more sense now!! Sorry about that!