Brazilians

[justapbrfan]

Hey everybody! I've been pondering this for a little while and why do so many people have a problem with the Brazilians? They bust their butts just like everybody else...personally I think that alot of times they have more drive and determination than most of the Americans, Aussies and I think they give Gerardo a run for his money in the determination catergory also. Personally, I belive that the Brazilians have nothing to prove to anyone...they now they can ride and we know they can ride so why can't some of us just come to grips with the fact that there are going to be times when the Brazilians have a better showing than others?

Again just my two cents worth. Jamie

[csb]

Because they do whatever is needed to take fire away from a bull. You may have heard somone yelling at Guilherme to either get out of the chute or be disqualified at the finals because he was taking too long. He sits in there for too long after having two of his buddies pull the rope for him to cut his bull in half. Ever wonder why Guilherme scores so low on bulls that usually score much higher? Most of the Brazilians do the same thing, and thats why they arent on the favorites list for most people, especially contractors.

You could say that they want to bull to be standing perfect, yadda yadda yadda. He has to stand up to buck! If you nod your head, he will stand up! Look at Fabricio Alves. Thats the one Brazilian that I like, because he took his bull laying down. Didnt sit there and whine for five minutes. Tried to get him to stand up, it didnt work so Fabricio nodded his head. I have never seen another Brazilian take a bull laying down, so I have a new found respect for Fabicio.

[CThrash13]

I feel much the same way as Cody does about the Brazilians, but I do think they have gotten a little better over the past year.

I'll honestly cheer for the Americans first and foremost for obvious reasons, but I am a fan of Paulo Crimber. I just don't like riders that try to cut their bull in half and soak him so to speak. I'm a "bull" guy, and that just doesn't sit well with me.

However, like I mentioned, I think the PBR officials are starting to crack down on Brazilians taking too long. Like Cody said, they got onto Marchi pretty hard at the Finals, and I think he has gotten quicker since then.

So I'm not a huge fan of the Brazilians, but part of that has to do with me being a huge fan of the Americans. That's just United States pride.

[justapbrfan]

If you're going to point your finger at the Brazilians for taking too long in the chutes, I'm going to point mine at JW Hart. He's number 1 in the world right now yes, and I hope he can hold onto it (even though I'd like to see a Brazilian like Marchi in the number 1 spot and he could very well do it just look at last season and how he rode Justin Mcbride's ass to the very last bull) but I think that he's achieved that status taking his own sweet time in the bucking chute "soaking" his bull. So really the whole "only the Brazilians soak there bulls" vibe I get from reading prior posts is B.S. cause Americans are doing it too and I have yet to see/hear them get there butts chewed for it.

I think that the PBR itself favors the Americans and Aussies. Sure they have Adriano on the board but I wonder how much pull he has? Personally, I root for the underdogs/longshots cause even the underdogs/longshots pay off big sometimes.

Jamie

P.S. I'm not trying to offend anyone just trying to express my opinion since everyone else is expressing theirs.

[CThrash13]

hifromwisconsin said:

If you're going to point your finger at the Brazilians for taking too long in the chutes, I'm going to point mine at JW Hart.

I couldn't agree with you more on that one. That's a reason why JW isn't on the top of my favorites list as well. So I'll agree with you there. But the majority of "bull soakers" is definitely Brazilians. But we have had that battle many times before.

I think that the PBR itself favors the Americans and Aussies. Sure they have Adriano on the board but I wonder how much pull he has? Personally, I root for the underdogs/longshots cause even the underdogs/longshots pay off big sometimes.

I don't think the PBR plays favorites a whole lot. As a matter of fact, they interview Adriano about three times an event, even when he is struggling. And if the Brazilians all spoke English, they may interview more of them. But that's also another topic for another time.

P.S. I'm not trying to offend anyone just trying to express my opinion since everyone else is expressing theirs.

I respect your opinions and am not offended at all. I hope I don't offend anyone either. I always love discussion, whether I agree with your opinion or not. I hope to see you express your opinions more in the future. You have great things to say.

[rossco4worldchamp]

They show Adriano so much because he loves to talk. Not many others like to talk (weather they are from the US, Austrailia, Canada, Brazil or Mexico) I don't think it has to do much with the language barrier, Adriano just loves attention, I think he's made that obvious!

[justapbrfan]

Here are some more of my thoughts on the whole Brazilian “situation” if that’s what you want to call it:

“As a matter of fact, they interview Adriano about three times an event, even when he is struggling. And if the Brazilians all spoke English, they may interview more of them.” Unlike what rosco4worldchamp had to say about Adriano liking to talk, I think he talks cause they won’t leave him alone, sure the attention is probably a factor too but you can only talk so long before you start thinking “go talk to Cody Whitney, please!” Why should they interview them? They aren’t there to chat with Tava Smiley they are there to support themselves and their families, loosely translated THEY ARE NOT OLN’S POSTER BOYS! Granted I think that the Brazilians should all know a little bit of English to be able to communicate with the people around them, but if you can’t translate a pained look and a Brazilian holding his elbow lets say as “he’s hurt his elbow” then maybe you should have your head checked.

As for the PBR playing favorites….Sure they crack down on the Brazilians taking there own sweet time in the chutes, why aren’t they cracking down on the American’s, etc. who spend too much time in the chutes?

I don’t think that the very American fan base gives the Brazilians the respect that they are due. You don’t have to like the way they do things but you should still respect them. That whole “do unto others as you would have others do unto you” thing applies hear if you ask me.

Again, just my two cents worth. Jamie

[CThrash13]

You are right, "like" and "respect" are two different things. I never said I didn't respect any of the Brazilians.

Any person that gets on the back of a bull for a living has 110% of my respect. Every rider in the PBR is great at what they do, or they wouldn't be there.

But there are favorites and non-favorites in any sport, and the same goes for the PBR and bull riding in general. I don't really like the Brazilians, but I definitely respect them. And I don't necessarily dislike them either, I just don't cheer for them as much.

[justapbrfan]

True you don't have to like them but it's hard to deny the fact that there were 6 Brazilians in the top 20 at the end of last season. That may not sound like a lot, but to me that just says "hey we have a fire lit under our asses and we're gonna let you know it!" to me. You don't usually get to the top of the pack unless your doing something right, right? And the way I read a couple of prior posts y'all make it sound like EVERY Brazilian "soaks" his bull. How do you know that its just not an off day? You have off day's why can't the bull? I'm not condoning "soaking" your bull but if I read your posts correctly you make it sound like every time a Brazilian gets on a bull they "soak" him. Well that 91 Guilherme Marchi put on Red Jacket was awfully good for "soaking" him dont you think? Or that Hornet made short order of Adriano this past weekend...did an awfully good job of it considering he "soaked" him don't you think?

[justapbrfan]

Ok so maybe I went a little bit overboard with the last couple of sentences in my last post. I apoligize. It just kinda ticks me off that in the whole time we've been debating (sort of I guess) there has only been one or two nice things said about specific Brazilians, and then a bunch of nasty stuff about a specific guy and then some more nasty stuff about the group as a whole. Jamie

[cowgirl4life30]

Jamie- I have been a part of this debate over and over again. You will never win. I, like you, love the brazilians... I think Adriano is one hell of a bull rider and an amazing guy. I think Marchi is wonderful and one for the most charismatic guys on tour. Ednei is a VERY VERY sweet guy and I could go on and on. I, like you, don't think they "soak" their bulls anymore than the next guy. Also, going to the point comment, have you seen Marchi ride? It's not pretty... it doesn't necessarily mean the bull is not performing because he isn't the flashiest rider. I can think of quite a few Americans that get scored lower than others because they aren't as flashy. None of that matters because come Novemeber/December consistency is what will win the championship, not huge scores. All I gotta say, is if your going to make racist comments, do it----- don't hide behind the facade that every member of a certain race behaves the same way because I can guarentee you that they all don't act the same and they all don't cheat. If they did all the other riders would dislike them and they DON'T. I have seen all the guys go out of their way to talk to them and their wives.

[justapbrfan]

I don't think that they all behave the same way.. I really don't understand why you are getting all mad at me?

[HThrash]

Don't ya just love a good debate!!

Let's keep it friendly!!!

[CThrash13]

I definitely don't think my comments were racist in any way. I can think of a lot worse things to say, that's for sure.

I believe I was pretty respectful in speaking my mind. And as I mentioned, there are Americans that do the same (JW Hart). If that's racist, I guess I'm racist. Chill out Kelly and don't start pulling the "race" card. It's uncalled for.

[cowgirl4life30]

Jamie- I was agreeing with you, not arguing

Cody- I didn't say you were... I know there are quite a few people on the board that lump all brazilians in one category and hate all the brazilians.

And on the JW topic... I don't think he is "soaking" his bull. If you ever watch him he is slow at everything.. including getting away from a 1600 lbs bull. However, he does take his time and he is a perfect example of the fact that taking time in the chute doesn't mean soaking.