Reride
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Post by Reride on Nov 7, 2005 15:20:11 GMT -5
Mark my words, they're going to be doing challenges and instant replay review will be coming soon. If not, there will be some issues that just plain won't get resolved - i.e., the riders who don't make their 8 and get a score, the calls for cathing a knot that aren't realistic, etc. It's the only way that the PBR can rise to an honest level. If they're going to be all glitz and glamor and keep the bull riding honest, it's going to happen.
Donna
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Post by firecracker on Nov 7, 2005 16:13:10 GMT -5
They need it! For Sure...
Rich
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Post by tenesseerustler on Nov 7, 2005 17:06:10 GMT -5
I believe that a cowboy who is not on the center of his bull for eight should not get a score. For example LJ Jenkins last night did not ride he was on the ground at 7.9 and they gave him a score.
I heard someone mention that justin's ride was the greatest, FYI that was not a ride it was a pathetic excuse for a bul ride. I dont know what the rule book states but it couldnt be that. If i look back at rides that could be deemed the greatest. I think one of the greatest rides i have ever seen was Micheal Gaffney on LYJ or LJ Jenkins on reindeer adriano on crossfire Hurricane at last year finals those come to mind but not riding side saddle. I am very happy he won but please lets not discriminate against those who actually rode and those who got the benefit of the doubt.
I guess my thinking here is i wish they would implement the reviewdont hold up an event but do review it and do give him a zero if he deserves it.
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Post by csb on Nov 7, 2005 16:40:39 GMT -5
PBR rules state your hand has to be in the rope to get a score. Justins hand was in the rope, he got a score. Guilherme Marchi rode his bull for 7.7 seconds and because only one judge has a stop watch, he got a score. EVERY judge needs a stop watch to catch all of the close calls.
Justins short go ride was excellent. Not from the scoring standpoint, but because he showed a ton of effort.
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Post by tenesseerustler on Nov 7, 2005 16:46:58 GMT -5
Cant disagree with the effort part but we have to draw a line. He has a huge heart and showed he is a champion so i will not knock him.Just wish we would have a little more consistency and don't allow for the bad rides to be judged so freely.
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Reride
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Post by Reride on Nov 8, 2005 4:19:08 GMT -5
Even with the lack of "pretty" on McBride's ride, he did stay hold on, didn't touch the ground, didn't tag up, and did make 8. He'd have gotten a score even with replay. But some of the others, their scores would not have held up.
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carpshooter
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Post by carpshooter on Nov 8, 2005 10:35:06 GMT -5
i was at the event that was held in indianapolis, indiana-which was a one time thing-and they had reviews. it was mentioned that cody lambert was in the truck and would review any questionably rides. they had a lot of them turned over one way or the other. the fans boo'ed a lot and didn't seem to like it. i guess they decided it didn't work well. i am not sure if it is a good thing or not.
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Post by RodeoHellBilly on Nov 8, 2005 11:45:06 GMT -5
I believe that a cowboy who is not on the center of his bull for eight should not get a score. For example LJ Jenkins last night did not ride he was on the ground at 7.9 and they gave him a score. I heard someone mention that justin's ride was the greatest, FYI that was not a ride it was a pathetic excuse for a bul ride. I dont know what the rule book states but it couldnt be that. If i look back at rides that could be deemed the greatest. I think one of the greatest rides i have ever seen was Micheal Gaffney on LYJ or LJ Jenkins on reindeer adriano on crossfire Hurricane at last year finals those come to mind but not riding side saddle. I am very happy he won but please lets not discriminate against those who actually rode and those who got the benefit of the doubt. I guess my thinking here is i wish they would implement the reviewdont hold up an event but do review it and do give him a zero if he deserves it. That's an interesting idea, but on virtually every ride, the rider goes off to one side or the other or slides back on his rope for, at least, a second or so. So, the idea of only scoring riders who stay in the center for the entire 8 seconds would pretty much add up to no rides. Karen |
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Post by csb on Nov 8, 2005 13:44:39 GMT -5
They need replay review and all of the judges need to have a stop watch in their hands. The back judge cant see everything, and so a lot of guys are getting scores when they shouldnt have. Guilherme and LJ didnt make 8 on Sunday, and if all four judges had a stopwatch they wouldnt have gotten scores. You really cant police knots by video tape unless you have a camera in the chute. I think there needs to be some sort of light placed on the slats of the chute so the flankman, chute boss, and judges all have a view of whats going on.
I just find it odd that they wait til round six to start enforcing the rules.
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Post by tenesseerustler on Nov 8, 2005 15:59:51 GMT -5
I guess my words needed to be precise to be understood. I guess out of everyone you had the hardest dealing with my comments. What i was trying to say was the fact that a good ride does not consist of side saddling, holding on to the end of the rope after you have been bucked off and still get scored. This is BULLRIDING so yes, i understand they cant stayed center. All you need to do is think outside the box. In any case i hope you understood that.
TO CSB: I agree, how come all of the sudden we have these calls, You seem to be fairly knowledgeable but remember when Guillerme March got caught, i dont think it is all of sudden but i do feel they chose to make a statement a little to late.
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Post by cowgirl4life30 on Nov 8, 2005 17:28:10 GMT -5
I guess my question is... IS IT REALLY A BIG DEAL? Like Karen said a lot of rides are made while a rider is out of shape. And besides I have seen plenty of riders get lucky, not just certain riders time in and time out.
Besides if we had replay and all the calls are fair, most fans would find something else to complain about. The way it's done now is part of the sport and usually if it's questionable it goes to the rider and that's the way it should be.
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Post by endfield1863 on Nov 8, 2005 18:10:20 GMT -5
How can every judge watch a stop watch and the bull and the cowboy all at the same time? Trust me, that won't help the scoring none. I think if we kept the draw a secret and then covered up the rider's face and back number so the judges didn' t know who they were scoring, that might make things a little bit more honest though!
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Post by csb on Nov 8, 2005 18:14:01 GMT -5
If I ride my bull for 8 seconds and score 88 points and the next guy rides for 7.7 and scores 88.5, I just got cheated. Thats not what the PBR is supposed to be about.
Put a stop watch in every judges hand, and end this crap. If the fans dont like the fact that a guy doesnt get a score for riding his bull for 7.99 seconds, thats tough. Rules are rules.
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Post by csb on Nov 8, 2005 18:20:10 GMT -5
How can every judge watch a stop watch and the bull and the cowboy all at the same time? Trust me, that won't help the scoring none. I think if we kept the draw a secret and then covered up the rider's face and back number so the judges didn' t know who they were scoring, that might make things a little bit more honest though! Judges dont look at the stop watch during a ride, only when an infraction is made. Each judge gets the stop watchand when the bulls shoulder clears the chute, the judge pushes the watch. If at any time the rider makes some sort of rule infraction (slaps his bull, hand pops out, buck off, etc) the judge stops the clock, and looks at the time. When we had our bull riding, both of our judges had a stop watch. Two heads are better than one. |
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Gus
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Post by Gus on Nov 8, 2005 19:40:42 GMT -5
CSB, I agree with you 100 percent, but PBR is notorious for allowing 7.something rides, citing "giving the riders the benefit of the doubt." Remember Ross Coleman's victory at Phoenix in which he thanked the judges. I've heard PRCA judges joking about having PBR stopwatches.
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