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Post by CThrash13 on Jan 10, 2006 10:04:21 GMT -5
Incidents like this will be the downfall of bull riding in the United States. This just gives the animal rights activists more ground to stand on when trying to end bull riding and rodeo in general.
It's unfortunate that it's like that, but PETA or whoever it is will jump all over this situation. I'm not real sure who PETA is, it might be a teacher's union for all I know. That just sounded right at the time.
Anyway, it ticks me off to hear of this news because I definitely watch bull riding to see the bulls more than the riders. I will hold judgment until I hear the entire story, however.
In the end, however, it's just another chink in the armor to bull riding, and that is really sad, especially since Moraes didn't have a chance on Coyote regardless of how sharp his spurs were.
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Post by cowgirl4life30 on Jan 10, 2006 12:59:36 GMT -5
PETA- People for ethical treatment of animals.
They are various types of people including celebrities that try to do away with numerous things regarding animals. I agree with a lot of what they do (humanely slaughter animals, stop testing cosmetics on animals, they are against furs, etc..).
You are right they will probably jump on this because they have always been against rodeo/bull riding.
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I have been thinking about this and since I am not a bull rider maybe one of you can clarify.
How is it that the back of the bull is what was cut and not the sides of the bull? I mean he had to have spured him at some point in 3.5 seconds. If the spurs were that sharp, why would the buck off be the only time the bull was cut?
Second, he rode/attempted 3 other bulls, why is it that none of them were cut?
Third, numerous people have stated that sharp spurs do not help, so why would someone intentionally sharpen the spurs to the point that they are dangerous to the animal? Does anyone really think any of these guys would purposely try to hurt these bulls if they have nothing to gain from it? And what is the line between too sharp and just sharp enough? And could you accidently sharpen one of the rowels more than others and not know it (so one rowel is sharper than the rest)?
I guess that is all my questions for now.
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Post by WI8SecFan on Jan 10, 2006 13:27:26 GMT -5
Well I just got back to this topic now and Kelly you have some excellent questions.
I just want to clarify one thing from my post. At this point I do not necessarily think that Allan is guilty. Yes, from what we have been told so far it appears that way. As Kelly points out though there are still a lot of questions yet to be answered. I am sure that the PBR board will get to the bottom of the situation and determine exactly what happened. I am guessing that as soon as the incident occurred Cody or one of the other officials examined the spurs and from that will make a determination if it was in fact the spur and an intentional sharpening that resulted in the injury.
It will be interesting in the end to see what the PBR board rules. I just hope that they release something about it and do not keep the ruling confidential since the story is already out there.
As far as PETA is concerned I don't think that this will incite them any more then they already are at the rodeo community in general. Simply because I don't think it is possible to do. Maybe they will be so busy trying to ban Steer tripping they will not even notice.
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Post by CThrash13 on Jan 10, 2006 13:36:47 GMT -5
As far as PETA is concerned I don't think that this will incite them any more then they already are at the rodeo community in general. Simply because I don't think it is possible to do. Maybe they will be so busy trying to ban Steer tripping they will not even notice. It sure won't hurt their case though, that's for sure. :/ |
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Post by csb on Jan 10, 2006 14:31:48 GMT -5
This may not be the first time Allan has cut bulls with his spurs, either. Judges have made note of his spurs in the past according to the sheets.
A bulls hide is nine times thicker than human skin - just something to think about.
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Post by rossco4worldchamp on Jan 10, 2006 18:23:22 GMT -5
A bulls hide is nine times thicker than human skin - just something to think about. |
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Post by cowboy4443 on Jan 10, 2006 18:37:21 GMT -5
I have two black angus steers and you would almost have to use a Cutco knife to cut them like that. You can sit there all day with a pizza cutter and not draw blood. In Allan's defence, it would be more likely to come from a corral panel, chute, or gate than his rowel. Cowboy4443
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Post by cowboyup1991 on Jan 10, 2006 19:00:39 GMT -5
but dont you think someone would of noticed that during the arena set up. look at all of the guys around the chutes dont you think one of them would of noticed? and wasnt it coyote that hurt Andre's knee a few years back? that would be another reason for him to have sharp spurs? we had an angus cow last year that busted one of our pannels and i went out to fix it i looked at it and it was sharp and all it did to her has take some hair off of her shoulder. so i am thinking that this was all Allen.
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Post by rossco4worldchamp on Jan 10, 2006 19:02:52 GMT -5
What about the video from the ride? Can't they look at that?
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Post by cowboyup1991 on Jan 10, 2006 19:04:08 GMT -5
that is what they will prolly do to see if they suspend him or not
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Post by mohillbillycowgirl on Jan 10, 2006 19:40:53 GMT -5
A bulls hide is nine times thicker than human skin - just something to think about. I think what CSB was referring to is that it takes quite a bit of effort to cut something so thick. I have to agree that with what info we have been given, things do not look good for Allan. Most riders I know check their spurs out befor an event to make sure rowels, straps, etc are in working order. Having said that, It still leaves him open as to whether it was intentional or not. Either he checked them and knew they were sharp.... OR they were o.k and at some point during a prior ride something happened such as the spur being stepped on that could have caused the rowel to have a "malfunction"(for lack of a better word). As for PETA, SHARK, and other A.R.A.'s. It will deffinately give them fodder for their fire. Unfortunately most ARA's don't research anything they are told. They just beleive anything and everything they are told to believe. So, even if it was an accident, they'll make it out like the evil cowboy intentionally sliced the poor bull with malice and contempt. Coyote is one of my faves as well. Something tells me if he can live through a coyote attack as a calf with only a loss of his tail....he'll be able to bounce back from a cut. Sure wish it had never happened though. |
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Post by cowboyup1991 on Jan 11, 2006 3:46:48 GMT -5
Allan Moraes, younger brother of two-time champion Adriano Moraes, on Tuesday said he had been fined $10,000 but avoided suspension for cutting Coyote with one of his spurs last weekend at the Worcester Classic.
Moraes, speaking through fellow Brazilian Ednei Caminhas, said he was scheduled to ride Tuesday at the Challenger Tour event in Denver.
Adriano Moraes, one of the board members who met Tuesday morning to discuss the matter, informed his brother of the decision, Caminhas said.
Nevada Berger, whose family’s company co-owns the bull, said he was surprised Allan Moraes wasn’t being suspended because on Sunday PBR vice president Cody Lambert told Berger the Brazilian rider would be forced to sit out until the bull was healthy enough to resume bucking.
Berger said no board member or PBR official had called to notify him of the decision to allow Moraes to ride.
“I guess if that’s what they did, there’s nothing I can do about it,’’ Berger said by phone late Tuesday afternoon.
Berger had said his bull will be out for at least a month while recuperating from an injury he estimated was 18 inches long.
As Moraes was getting bucked off of Coyote Sunday, one of his spurs caught the bull and left a long gash across Coyote’s back.
Attempts to reach PBR CEO Randy Bernard for comment were unsuccessful.
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Post by twinpinesmt on Jan 11, 2006 13:57:26 GMT -5
Where did that informations come from? Please if you post information from other boards, blogs, or press releases state where the information came from.
Thanx
Tina
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Post by CThrash13 on Jan 11, 2006 14:04:58 GMT -5
Sounds like a slap on the wrist if you ask me. Just my opinion though.
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Post by chrisshiversluver on Jan 11, 2006 14:13:26 GMT -5
well Allan isnt that sucessful on tour yet so $10,000 is quite a bit for him. But i agree Cody its definitly just a warning not a punishment. I think he deserves more than that..but thats me (i dont make the decisions)
As for the people who think it was something in the chute that cut coyote. One there is really nothing that would slice a bull back, and two the stock contractor, and anybody around the chute would have seen it. So therefore it had to be something once he left the chute, whether it was an accident or not i still think that Allan did this.
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